Popular Post Davkaus Posted January 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2019 12 hours ago, Michelsen said: Is there any debate at all whether or not eating fungi is permissable in a vegan diet? We should all just agree not to eat mushrooms because they're absolutely vile, ethics don't need to come in to it. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Davkaus said: We should all just agree not to eat mushrooms because they're absolutely vile, ethics don't need to come in to it. Now that's a movement I can get behind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 9, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 9, 2019 Mushrooms are ace, is it possible to be a shroomatarian? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post peterms Posted January 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, bickster said: Surely sometime soon some clever people will realise there's a way of growing beef and lamb on trees /notserious Of course, beef trees require sturdier branches. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 9, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, peterms said: Of course, beef trees require sturdier branches. Surely goat trees could be genetically modified to contain less bones,? That would be a great technological advancement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 9, 2019 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, peterms said: On the environmental point, there's another article here discussing what he says is a misconception that has taken root: There are clearly some very poor environmental practices associated with livestock farming. The objection made by many is that environmentally sustainable farming is lumped together with unsustainable practices by some people, leading to false conclusions, and we should instead be tackling poor practice and supporting good practice rather than saying that all meat production is environmentally bad. The original article's resoning seemed to be "Cows are bad for the environment, but cows have always existed so it can't be any worse now than it's always been". Which seemed to have a massive flaw in that it didn't account for the huge amount of over farming and increase in population of cows due solely to producing them for meat. Like I said I didn't read the article fully so I'm happy to go back on that once I manage to read it in full (which I absolutely will). But that seemed to be the jist. As for the second article you posted, that doesn't really seem to say that cow farming isn't bad for the environment, just that it's not as bad as vehicle manufacturing. So I don't think it counters the argument that not producing so many cows for the sole purpose of meat would have a hugely beneficial effect to the environment. Both articles seem to be more an argument against certain myths associated with veganism as opposed to being arguments against Veganism in general Edited January 9, 2019 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 9, 2019 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, bickster said: Mushrooms are ace, is it possible to be a shroomatarian? I mentioned some mushroom based sausages a couple of pages back from Sainsburys. They are so tasty. Even in a totally not giving up meat kind of way, they're worth a try just coz they taste nice! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 9, 2019 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 9, 2019 2 hours ago, bickster said: Surely sometime soon some clever people will realise there's a way of growing beef and lamb on trees /notserious Not trees, but didn't they grow a hamburger in a petri dish a while back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 9, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Not trees, but didn't they grow a hamburger in a petri dish a while back? That's not organic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Not trees, but didn't they grow a hamburger in a petri dish a while back? Yeah it was a few years ago. Fetal bovine serum was a necessary ingredient though, I think they're working on removing that dependency before they commercialise it, so they can manufacture and sell genuinely vegetarian beef products, which would be amazing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 42 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Both articles seem to be more an argument against certain myths associated with veganism as opposed to being arguments against Veganism in general I think both don't argue against veganism per se, rather the idea that we should all be vegans, and against calls for veganism based on what they see as false information or misplaced arguments. They challenge what they see as myths propounded by vegan proselytisers (and the first article is also concerned about the role of the processed food industry in jumping on a bandwagon while promoting substances as vegan which are artificial and pretty dodgy). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Inspired very much by this very thread, I will make an honest effort to reduce my meat consumption. I started yesterday by cooking a vegetarian dinner: Mushroom risotto with shaved parmesan and truffle oil. Bloody delicious. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 11, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Michelsen said: shaved parmesan Not vegetarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 On 09/01/2019 at 12:17, Davkaus said: Yeah it was a few years ago. Fetal bovine serum was a necessary ingredient though, I think they're working on removing that dependency before they commercialise it, so they can manufacture and sell genuinely vegetarian beef products, which would be amazing. If that does happen then the argument is over surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Had another go tonight: Halloumi, turned in oil and sesame seeds and pan fried, kidney beans in tomato and basil sauce, fresh lettuce and tomatoes in balsamico on the side, with a slice of bread fried in the leftover oil and sesame seeds. Sooooo nice! Might as well go in the cooking thread. That makes it three days in a row without meat for me (fish yesterday). Not a problem at all so far! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 On 11/01/2019 at 12:15, bickster said: Not vegetarian There is meat in parmesan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 12, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, Michelsen said: There is meat in parmesan? Yup, can only be made with calf rennet otherwise it isn’t Parmesan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 minute ago, bickster said: Yup, can only be made with calf rennet otherwise it isn’t Parmesan Didn’t know that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 12, 2019 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 12, 2019 There's plenty of parmesan alternatives though. They just can't officially be called parmesan. They're usually called something like "Italian Hard Cheese" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Baby steps! For now, I’ll eat parmesan without a shred of guilt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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