hippo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: Tactical genius with the Tuition fees. Yep and how he kept it quiet -until exactly the right moment in the campaign. You can see why he appeals to students - they love an old rascal - seem to remember Frankie Howard enjoying resurgence in the twighlight of his career due to his popularity amongst them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, hippo said: What does the future hold for JC ? I hold my hand up - he's fought a great campaign, won 30 more seats , and increased labour share of the vote. That said - he's on 260 seats - quite some distance from ever forming a majority labour government. His main angle now will be to ensure his successor comes from the left of the party - which might not be that straightforward. But that is the legacy he would want. I don't think he would want to fight another election when he is in in his 70's. The best thing he could do for the party (and the country) is stand down, but back a strong candidate for his replacement. Keeping his supporters but potentially appealing to the wider base needed to actually win an election. No chance that will happen, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, hippo said: What does the future hold for JC ? I hold my hand up - he's fought a great campaign, won 30 more seats , and increased labour share of the vote. That said - he's on 260 seats - quite some distance from ever forming a majority labour government. His main angle now will be to ensure his successor comes from the left of the party - which might not be that straightforward. But that is the legacy he would want. I don't think he would want to fight another election when he is in in his 70's. I think this is right. I must admit I was pessimistic at the start of this thread (have a look), but I'm pleased to have been proven wrong. One thing I did say after the last election though was that there would be banana skins waiting for the overconfident Tories, and that was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Actually I might approach JC for a patent on his Jam - that would be a goldmine right now ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 What a lovely start to a Friday. Keep fighting the good fight JC, we'll be blasting D-ream at full volume before Xmas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, jon_c said: The best thing he could do for the party (and the country) is stand down, but back a strong candidate for his replacement. Keeping his supporters but potentially appealing to the wider base needed to actually win an election. No chance that will happen, though. The question is what is a stronger candidate ? - My opinion is that a centrist leader from Dan Jarvis or Keir starmer would serve labour best. But the grassroots of labour will quite rightly dispute that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 30 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I guess applause also for YouGov. I think the only ones to predict the hung parliament as the end result when everyone else was still going for a pretty big Tory majority. (but I didn't expect the SNP vote to fall as much) On 6/7/2017 at 15:51, darrenm said: I say 320 seats Tory and a Labour / SNP coalition for dessert. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post peterms Posted June 9, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2017 Nice work. Quote The Conservative housing minister Gavin Barwell – who once wrote a book entitled How to Win a Marginal Seat – lost his own last night. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I actually think the right wing press rebounded this time. They built TM up into something she wasn't. She's bang average, they billed her as the next Maggie, which she never was. I am not a Tory but the likes of the mail and telegraph telling us she is fantastic when she wasn't backfired. They might might to reconsider next time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just now, hippo said: The question is what is a stronger candidate ? - My opinion is that a centrist leader from Dan Jarvis or Keir starmer would serve labour best. But the grassroots of labour will quite rightly dispute that. I'm not sure, I think Jarvis would do well across the country, but maybe not for Corbyn. For a further left candidate it might be someone like Clive Lewis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 23 minutes ago, bobzy said: Amazing That's fantastic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just now, hippo said: I actually think the right wing press rebounded this time. Agreed but I think something else was at play as well, do people like being told what to do these days by papers that not many people actually buy or care about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Campaign misfire, your back bench is terrified.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, jon_c said: I'm not sure, I think Jarvis would do well across the country, but maybe not for Corbyn. For a further left candidate it might be someone like Clive Lewis? If they want another Corbyn John McDonnell maybe the closest they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Jeremy's getting excited. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Does anyone know how many seats went from CON to Lab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, hippo said: I actually think the right wing press rebounded this time. They built TM up into something she wasn't. She's bang average, they billed her as the next Maggie, which she never was. I am not a Tory but the likes of the mail and telegraph telling us she is fantastic when she wasn't backfired. They might might to reconsider next time. Agreed. And they went too far with the personal attacks on Corbyn. I think beyond a certain point, the public smells unfairness and reacts against it. On another note, I think the significance of the fox hunting thing has been underestimated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 9, 2017 So, whose manifesto was the longest suicide note in history again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just now, mjmooney said: Agreed. And they went too far with the personal attacks on Corbyn. I think beyond a certain point, the public smells unfairness and reacts against it. On another note, I think the significance of the fox hunting thing has been underestimated. Yep - you've got to be really confident going to electorate with that in the manifesto ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, peterms said: Jeremy's getting excited. Have you seen the video peter? Its absolutely hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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