Genie Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 They must be close to running out of missiles now surely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 Imagine fighting and dying for the Avdiivka slag heap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 2 hours ago, sidcow said: After the bombing of that ship I'd have spent the next week in a basement if I was in Ukraine. Russia always launches a big retaliation after a high profile loss like that. Where's the outrage and reaction of the international community to yet another war crime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 On 29/12/2023 at 15:33, Xann said: Imagine fighting and dying for the Avdiivka slag heap. Imagine fighting and dying for a deluded fool like Putin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Infuriating. Rumours Gerasimov has been eliminated in the latest attacks on Crimea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I’m sure the spin will be that the use of North Korean missiles proves Russia is almost exhausted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Plus the US is going to raise this at the UN Security Council. That will definitely lead to some effective action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 The US has given billions of dollars of vehicles, weapons and intelligence to Ukraine. The argument if it is enough is another one, but that tweet is suggesting the US is doing nothing which is wrong. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) Meanwhile Germany have found their confidence. They've given Ukraine the single most effective drone and short range AA-system - Skynex, and are producing 4 more Iris systems to be delivered shortly. Germany alone has the industrial capacity to keep Ukraine in the war, if France and ourselves would find our balls we could help. Even if it's just giving Ukraine ammunition or old tanks. We've got mothballed stuff that could do a job, especially in the short range anti-drone stuff like high caliber machine guns. I don't know why we're not doing more. Let's hope FrankenSAM (patriot, samp, nasams, iris, buk) coupled with the 30 or so promised f-16's will be able to give Ukraine at least localised air superiority, or else I don't see the front lines moving until either side gives up. Edited January 5 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 10 hours ago, magnkarl said: Meanwhile Germany have found their confidence. They've given Ukraine the single most effective drone and short range AA-system - Skynex, and are producing 4 more Iris systems to be delivered shortly. Germany alone has the industrial capacity to keep Ukraine in the war, if France and ourselves would find our balls we could help. Even if it's just giving Ukraine ammunition or old tanks. We've got mothballed stuff that could do a job, especially in the short range anti-drone stuff like high caliber machine guns. I don't know why we're not doing more. Let's hope FrankenSAM (patriot, samp, nasams, iris, buk) coupled with the 30 or so promised f-16's will be able to give Ukraine at least localised air superiority, or else I don't see the front lines moving until either side gives up. Equally Germany has been completely lacking balls in refusing to supply Taurus missiles while France and the UK have already provided Storm Shadow / Scalp missiles. Germany has consistently lagged everyone else in providing offensive rather than defensive weapons. Not to mention the fact the UK is hugely ramping 155mm production in a way say France has not. No country is really throwing their full weight behind Ukraine, Germany included. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Profits before ethics. Still trading in Putin's Russia. Quote Since the invasion of Ukraine began, we have been tracking the responses of well over 1,500 companies, and counting. Over 1,000 companies have publicly announced they are voluntarily curtailing operations in Russia to some degree beyond the bare minimum legally required by international sanctions — but some companies have continued to operate in Russia undeterred. https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over-1000-companies-have-curtailed-operations-russia-some-remain The companies that make the majority of UK confectionary, still in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 It's not being widely reported but Turkey has agreed to open the Black Sea to UK and US warships. The Russian Black Sea fleet is significantly weakened and in real danger if it ventures far from Crimea. The US already has a carrier fleet in the eastern Mediterranean. A small part of it could be in the Black Sea in days. A US fleet sitting in the Black Sea will be deeply embarrassing for Putin. Especially when his fleet doesn't even leave port to shadow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: It's not being widely reported but Turkey has agreed to open the Black Sea to UK and US warships. The Russian Black Sea fleet is significantly weakened and in real danger if it ventures far from Crimea. The US already has a carrier fleet in the eastern Mediterranean. A small part of it could be in the Black Sea in days. A US fleet sitting in the Black Sea will be deeply embarrassing for Putin. Especially when his fleet doesn't even leave port to shadow it. Lets hope some nutter doesn’t fire upon these warships as it’ll be a pretty scary situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 9 Moderator Share Posted January 9 12 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: It's not being widely reported but Turkey has agreed to open the Black Sea to UK and US warships. The Russian Black Sea fleet is significantly weakened and in real danger if it ventures far from Crimea. The US already has a carrier fleet in the eastern Mediterranean. A small part of it could be in the Black Sea in days. A US fleet sitting in the Black Sea will be deeply embarrassing for Putin. Especially when his fleet doesn't even leave port to shadow it. What about the minesweepers we were giving to Ukraine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 9 VT Supporter Share Posted January 9 10 minutes ago, bickster said: What about the minesweepers we were giving to Ukraine? They will sweep all before them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Genie said: Lets hope some nutter doesn’t fire upon these warships as it’ll be a pretty scary situation. Hopefully Russia sink one of them and it forces NATO to enter the war immediately leading to the complete demise of Putin et al. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 9 VT Supporter Share Posted January 9 10 minutes ago, villa89 said: Hopefully Russia sink one of them and it forces NATO to enter the war immediately leading to the complete demise of humanity Fixed that for you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, sidcow said: Fixed that for you. A spike in energy bills will be the least of our problems if Russia fire at a US or UK warship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, sidcow said: Fixed that for you. No you didn't. The fear that if NATO enter the war Russia will use Nukes is completely baseless. There absolutely no chance that nuclear weapons will be used by Russia anywhere for obvious reasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 9 VT Supporter Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, villa89 said: No you didn't. The fear that if NATO enter the war Russia will use Nukes is completely baseless. There absolutely no chance that nuclear weapons will be used by Russia anywhere for obvious reasons. You think Putin will just sit there as his army are systematically destroyed and pushed back? Not a chance I'm willing to take a gamble on thanks. I think you'll be a very lone voice being thankful for a UK or USA war ship to be destroyed by Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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