VillaChris Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Blimey, just come back in and seen the result, looks a shocker as this isn't a vintage Italy under 21 squad by any stretch. Thought England would reach the knock outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I know I shouldn't take pleasure from seeing England lose, but that is the only entertainment any England side offers up nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 because they arent. ITs ok blaming the manager all the time but if you keep blaming him then its time to look at the talent of the players. People like Wilshire, Sterling didnt bother turning up also and thats not 1st time has happened at Under 21 level as I said watching Portugal tonight who were if honest not even that bothered and England on sunday was a huge gulf in the ability Why aren't they? Is it training methods, wealth, psychology, foreign players. I'm not exclusively on about the U21 team. Dyke had all these big plans and English football is as average as ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 IN fairness to Dyke his plans are not really going to have an effect on players playing at the moment it will be for young players coming through but its been said before that English football and this also affects Ireland is being damaged from a young age. The Premier League is about huff and puff players and not skill (which in fairness is slowly changing) e.g Lee Cattermole wouldnt get a game in the top 4 divisions of Spain yet I saw some English media calling for an England call-up last season. How many top class skillful technical players have England produced since maybe 1995 as 20 years as a fair example. Scholes, Beckham, Rooney, Ashley Cole, Rio and arguably Joe Cole. Compare that to other teams in same international bracket like France, Spain or even Netherlands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) The defence looked poor all tournament. Why Southgate went 4-4-2 when a draw would have been sufficient I don't know. Having said that too many players just wern't good enough at that level. Did Redmond have one good game all tournament. Loftus- Cheek looked good last match when he came on but Southgate didn't pick him and I think he could have picked the likes of Sterling, Ibe, and Wilshere but decided to stick with the players that got them there. Edited June 24, 2015 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Dyke's target is to win the 2022 World Cup. This U21 side should be hitting their peak around then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpaywasawesome Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 IN fairness to Dyke his plans are not really going to have an effect on players playing at the moment it will be for young players coming through but its been said before that English football and this also affects Ireland is being damaged from a young age. The Premier League is about huff and puff players and not skill (which in fairness is slowly changing) e.g Lee Cattermole wouldnt get a game in the top 4 divisions of Spain yet I saw some English media calling for an England call-up last season. How many top class skillful technical players have England produced since maybe 1995 as 20 years as a fair example. Scholes, Beckham, Rooney, Ashley Cole, Rio and arguably Joe Cole. Compare that to other teams in same international bracket like France, Spain or even Netherlands Too many ruined by signing for big clubs and then seeing their development stagnate because of lack of game time - Downing, Young, Rodwell, Sinclair etc. Granted nowhere near top class technical players but tons of squandered potential there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 They aren't top class players but that does absolutely nothing to stop SSN and the rags constantly telling them that they are and trying to engineer huge moves for them because it sells, Sterling will be next, Harry Kane after that Sterling to Real Madrid, Harry Kane going to utd for £35m, what planet do they live on? We've got far too many bang average players believing their own hype whilst raking in vast sums of money and too willing to fall back on the same old everyone else's fault excuses, we've got an FA more concerned about how much money they can make rather than addressing the real issues in football, rather than drop the prices of the coaching badges in this country and address the real issue of lack of qualified coaches lets address the media and sponsor friendly coach race issues, for far too long now they have used how much money it generates as a measuring stick for how successful football is in this country, and make no doubt about it our FA is absolutely **** brilliant at making money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 They lost a lot of money not qualifying in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 They lost a lot of money not qualifying in 2008. And a couple of years later UEFA upped it to 24 teams, they're pretty good at making money too Poland and Ukraine struggled to sell out their corporate seats for the tournament and it wasn't a great financial success, look what's happening in 2020 as a result, they've given it to stadiums with great corporate facilities all over Europe, and once again the stadium that makes the most money for them will be hosting a UEFA final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 They lost a lot of money not qualifying in 2008. And a couple of years later UEFA upped it to 24 teams, they're pretty good at making money too Poland and Ukraine struggled to sell out their corporate seats for the tournament and it wasn't a great financial success, look what's happening in 2020 as a result, they've given it to stadiums with great corporate facilities all over Europe, and once again the stadium that makes the most money for them will be hosting a UEFA final I mean the penny-pinching with things like the coaching badges you mentioned compared to the massive loss of non-qualification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 They aren't top class players but that does absolutely nothing to stop SSN and the rags constantly telling them that they are and trying to engineer huge moves for them because it sells, Sterling will be next, Harry Kane after that Sterling to Real Madrid, Harry Kane going to utd for £35m, what planet do they live on? We've got far too many bang average players believing their own hype whilst raking in vast sums of money and too willing to fall back on the same old everyone else's fault excuses, we've got an FA more concerned about how much money they can make rather than addressing the real issues in football, rather than drop the prices of the coaching badges in this country and address the real issue of lack of qualified coaches lets address the media and sponsor friendly coach race issues, for far too long now they have used how much money it generates as a measuring stick for how successful football is in this country, and make no doubt about it our FA is absolutely **** brilliant at making money Spot on.I am sure the new Premier League deal with help matters- or maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 50m rated kane lmao The whole set up is a joke and the media dont help matters by over hyping players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommybread Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) IN fairness to Dyke his plans are not really going to have an effect on players playing at the moment it will be for young players coming through but its been said before that English football and this also affects Ireland is being damaged from a young age. The Premier League is about huff and puff players and not skill (which in fairness is slowly changing) e.g Lee Cattermole wouldnt get a game in the top 4 divisions of Spain yet I saw some English media calling for an England call-up last season. How many top class skillful technical players have England produced since maybe 1995 as 20 years as a fair example. Scholes, Beckham, Rooney, Ashley Cole, Rio and arguably Joe Cole. Compare that to other teams in same international bracket like France, Spain or even Netherlands Too many ruined by signing for big clubs and then seeing their development stagnate because of lack of game time - Downing, Young, Rodwell, Sinclair etc. Granted nowhere near top class technical players but tons of squandered potential there. Downing and Young aren't even close to getting a lack of game time. Downing made 40+ appearances both seasons at Liverpool. Young gets loads of game time too and would get even more if he didn't have constant injuries. Rodwell and Sinclair, yes, but Downing and Young got/get plenty of time at their big clubs. Edited June 25, 2015 by tommybread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan81 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) majority of the under 21s play in the championship because the PL is such a money spinner clubs want success and results now so developing the England player isn't for them so they loan them out unless there better than they have Loftus Cheek didnt realy get much of a sniff till chelsea had all but won title Butland?not sure but know he wasnt stokes first choice..lindgard loaned to derby apparently Wilshire and sterling shaw jones chamberlain was all eligable..Berahino pulled out with Injury they should of been in that tourny.there the future of English football and should be starting together and coming up together.other than Wilshire what have the others done for England euro campaign but fair play to Kane.could of been on his Hols as lets face it hes gonna be a senior next season but said hes playing and finishing what he started Edited June 25, 2015 by Villan81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 25, 2015 Moderator Share Posted June 25, 2015 Well that's awkward. The future is something that rhymes with bright. Maybe they need our Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 and where was Barkley? At least Kane who had a proper good season, 30 goals bothered turning up. Barkley is the most overhyped player in the Premier League couldn't be bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Martinez wouldn't let him out to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 The defence looked poor all tournament. Why Southgate went 4-4-2 when a draw would have been sufficient I don't know. Having said that too many players just wern't good enough at that level. Did Redmond have one good game all tournament. Loftus- Cheek looked good last match when he came on but Southgate didn't pick him and I think he could have picked the likes of Sterling, Ibe, and Wilshere but decided to stick with the players that got them there. Ward-Prowse had a good second half of the season for Southampton and was being massively hyped before the first game then gets dropped soon after. I said before the tournament I wanted to see a midfield trio of Will Hughes, Ward-Prowse and Prictchard. O.k maybe lacking in defensive nous but if those three can't pass the ball competently I give up, Instead last night we had Calobalah doing his annual Reo-Coker impression (bloke's having a laugh if he thinks he's doing anything more than picking up the drinks at Chelsea) and that Foster-Caskey guy who I've never heard of. I do think Berahino missing was a massive loss as his pace would've created more space for Kane who was very tightly marked in this competition which will be the norm for him next season. I don't buy this not enough young players starting at the top level argument...look at Italy under 21s, I watched a replay this morning and the comms said the keeper got dropped by Chievo halfway through the season. None of them start for any of the major clubs, a few with Juve but they get loaned out to Sassulo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 There was a Gerrard and Rio Ferdinand interview in the paper today and Captain Stevie said the players are often bored on England duty and there was a 'shyness' in the group. They are building a golf course at St. George's Park to rectify this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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