peterms Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, villa4europe said: jezza has tweeted about bury saying that under a labour government fans would get a say in the running of the club what an absolute lie that is Why do you think that? It's an existing LP policy, and what is proposed is entirely achievable. My criticism would be that the proposal is too modest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 28, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, peterms said: It's been policy for several years. Wow, it is actually policy for once. Wouldn't have saved Bury FC one bit though which was the association he was trying to make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, peterms said: Why do you think that? It's an existing LP policy, and what is proposed is entirely achievable. My criticism would be that the proposal is too modest. the owners of an existing company have to accept a fan or the fans representative in some sort of meaningful capacity because Labour says so? yeah that's not going to happen then you throw it out in to the context of the real world away from football, how are people who represent people other than the owners interests ie unions, doing in the failing automotive industry? a fan sat on Bolton's board would change just about **** all its an empty promise to grab some votes, jezza man of the people saving football, boris the toff is probably a polo man so doesn't get it, what a load of bollocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, villa4europe said: the owners of an existing company have to accept a fan or the fans representative in some sort of meaningful capacity because Labour says so? yeah that's not going to happen The proposal is obviously to legislate to make it a requirement, not to expect companies to do it because they are requested to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, bickster said: He can't help himself, he invents policy on the spot without any real thought, it's just populist bollocks like his Ashes congratulatory tweet He wants to nationalise almost everything and when he's not doing that he will intervene in as many things as possible, it'd be a truly tyrannical government. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just now, peterms said: The proposal is obviously to legislate to make it a requirement, not to expect companies to do it because they are requested to. again, meaningful capacity, what are would you expect them to do? Bolton are going under because their owner pays himself too much, you expect 2 fan appointed board members to change that? do these 2 board members get paid? how when the clubs have no money? man utd have 11 board members, 4 of them glazers, you think 2 yellow and green scarf wearing board members will save them from their "bad" ownership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, villa4europe said: again, meaningful capacity, what are would you expect them to do? Bolton are going under because their owner pays himself too much, you expect 2 fan appointed board members to change that? do these 2 board members get paid? how when the clubs have no money? man utd have 11 board members, 4 of them glazers, you think 2 yellow and green scarf wearing board members will save them from their "bad" ownership? I suppose they would be paid the same as other directors, whether that is nothing, a little, or a lot, but that's not the point. Supporters on the board is something that supporters groups have asked for. It's a step in the right direction, but as I said, the proposal is too modest. We need something more far-reaching in terms of governance and control, liability, ability to load debt onto clubs and so on. Perhaps the current situation will make more people agree with that line of thought. But my question was why you think mentioning this modest existing policy is a lie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 31 minutes ago, bickster said: Wow, it is actually policy for once. Wouldn't have saved Bury FC one bit though which was the association he was trying to make I don't think he claimed that, or implied it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 28, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, peterms said: I don't think he claimed that, or implied it I can't help you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, bickster said: I can't help you So I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: He wants to nationalise almost everything and when he's not doing that he will intervene in as many things as possible, it'd be a truly tyrannical government. 2 fan representatives on the boards of football clubs is your definition of tyranny? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just now, HanoiVillan said: 2 fan representatives on the boards of football clubs is your definition of tyranny? It's the thin end of the wedge. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just now, peterms said: It's the thin end of the wedge. Pretty sure it's how uday Hussain got started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Today, it’s fan representation on the board of a football team. Tomorrow, we’re all growing rice for the five year agricultural plan. Seen it all before. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 30, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 30, 2019 Quote Labour's support among UK students nearly halves in 18 months amid Brexit frustration, survey suggests Jeremy Corbyn's policy over EU makes young people change sides to pro-Remain parties Labour's support among UK students has nearly halved in 18 months amid frustration at the party's position on Brexit, survey suggests. The backing for Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party among young supporters has fallen by 32 percentage points since February 2018, according to the findings from Times Higher Education. And the Labour party’s Brexit policy could be causing student voters to turn towards pro-Remain parties like the Liberal Democrats and the Green Party, the survey suggests. The YouthSight survey, of nearly 1,000 students, reveals that support for Labour has plummeted from 70 per cent, of those who said that they were likely to vote, in February 2018 to 38 per cent. Meanwhile, student backing for the pro-EU Liberal Democrats and Green Party has grown - with these parties now representing 19 per cent and 18 per cent of the student vote, the survey shows. Indie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, bickster said: Labour's support among UK students nearly halves in 18 months amid Brexit frustration, survey suggests Nothing that an aspiration to sort student debt once and for all can't fix But, maybe this is also part of what team Boris are banking on in the event we head to a GE ... They can pretty much hoover up the leave vote , the remain vote risks still being split with labour voters moving to a more remain liberal party ? ... of course political non-aggression pacts by remain parties might supper those plans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 On 30/08/2019 at 10:45, bickster said: Indie I guess pretending to be the second coming of Jesus to a few students at Glasto wasn't enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 2, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, magnkarl said: I guess pretending to be the second coming of Jesus to a few students at Glasto wasn't enough. That batteries ran out on the Pied Piper of Islingtons electronic flute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 We could have a red top sweepstake! What or who will Corbyn photoshopped onto or into? I'll open with a Josef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 2, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 2, 2019 Just now, Xann said: Josef. Stalin, Goebbels or Mengele. Please be specific 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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