markavfc40 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Chindie said: The rumoured 'plan' is that they will stand in marginals at the next election (assuming the group lasts that long). I think at least some of them know they got in based on the rosette they wore, and not who they are (especially Chukka, who seems to stand for whatever way the wind is blowing if it's good for him). A lot of talk of them not setting up a party as well. They've established a company. Which makes them exempt from party donation rules. Hmm. The whole thing is a farce for me. Apparently they are hoping to attract a few Tories which really says it all about which way they lean. Labour is traditionally a left wing socialist party. What it was under Smith/Blair/Brown, centre right, wasn't true to its own identity. This mob and others are a legacy of those years but the party has shifted back to being a left wing party and these seven and many others now have no place being in it. Edited February 18, 2019 by markavfc40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, Chindie said: Cringing so hard my shoulder blades are above my eyebrows. I can't unsee that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, markavfc40 said: The whole thing is a farce for me. Apparently they are hoping to attract a few Tories which really says is all about which way they lean. Labour is traditionally a left wing socialist party. What it was under Smith/Blair/Brown, centre right, wasn't true to its own identity. This mob and others are a legacy of those years but the party has shifted back to being a left wing party and these seven and many others now have no place being in it. Labour changed because it had to. Now's it changed back to a being a shit 1970s parody with that idiot Magic Grandpa leading it, and it's once again completely unelectable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Risso said: Labour changed because it had to. Now's it changed back to a being a shit 1970s parody with that idiot Magic Grandpa leading it, and it's once again completely unelectable. I wouldn't disagree that it perhaps changed as that was the way to get elected but it doesn't change the fact that it moved far away from what it traditionally is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Theressa May begs to differ was the SS deliberate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: Labour is traditionally a left wing socialist party Is it? It's rarely been that in my lifetime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, peterms said: Is there a point to posting a fake account tweet? I'm not sure what you're saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 hours ago, bickster said: Frank Field jumped before he was pushed. Not seen much of a clamour for him to fight a by-election and quite frankly he's to the right of this gang of seven Or Woodcock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, snowychap said: Or Woodcock. Indeed and they pushed him to an extent The only one they said should resign the seat is watserface in jail in the footsteps of Mandela over perjury 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, bickster said: Is it? It's rarely been that in my lifetime It hasn't for my adult life either until the last few years. It originates though from socialist parties and trade unions. Pre the early 90's it would have ranged anywhere from left wing to centre left and it was only under Smith/Blair/Brown that it moved to being anywhere from centre to centre right. It has now moved back to the left which is why many of those of New Labour legacy no longer feel a part of it even though it has now aligned back to being closer to its roots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, markavfc40 said: It hasn't for my adult life either until the last few years. It originates though from socialist parties and trade unions. Pre the early 90's it would have ranged anywhere from left wing to centre left and it was only under Smith/Blair/Brown that it moved to being anywhere from centre to centre right. It has now moved back to the left which is why many of those of New Labour legacy no longer feel a part of it even though it has now aligned back to being closer to its roots. its moved far beyond any form of left I've ever known it to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I'm probably more interested in politics than 95% of the electorate, and I couldn't even tell you what James Morris (Con, Halesowen & Rowley Regis) looks like. Exactly. 5% vote for policy and 95% vote for personality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 hour ago, markavfc40 said: There should be by elections as the majority of people vote on party lines not for the individual. People should understand the electoral process better, then. They cast their vote for a person to represent their constituency. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 18, 2019 57 minutes ago, peterms said: If there is one core requirement in politics, it is working constructively with people you disagree with. Where people try to do that, they gain respect, and often gain support as well, or at least reduce opposition, which in counting votes is equally useful. And the tooth fairy's always been good to me, so you can leave her out of it. ...She's the victim of abuse, like Abbott and others. She has cynically tried to attribute responsibility for this to Corbyn, in a way which considerably reduces the sympathy people would otherwise have had for her. She also seems to be one of the group of people who see political parties as a vehicle for their own advancement, rather than a collective effort towards something rather bigger. This is also a pretty unappealing quality. So , rather than a VONC, they should have worked constructively with LB on the anti-semitism, perhaps, rather than slag her off for being an uncontrolled Zionist? To be like "constructive". i.e. it works both ways. An MP whose judgement , which they are required to exercise as part of their duty to all their constituents, is different from some CLP/CCP/whichever party members - say on Brexit, anti-racism, or other emotive and important issues - should be afforded better than what many of them get. The Labour party, under Corbyn, as even the leadership has admitted has a problem and is yet to get to where it should be, wither in dealing with past episodes or current ones. She's not cynically tried to attribute responsibility for this to Corbyn, it genuinely is (partly) his responsibility. I'm sure she'll advance her prospects of becoming a minister or shadow minister by leaving her party and (likely) not getting re-elected - same applies to all the jumpers. They've worsened their prospects - the easy thing if they were careerists is shut up and play the game. Sorry 'bout the tooth fairy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unused Sub Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 33 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: The counterpoint to that is that arguing that the personality they vote for is their local candidate is also frequently inaccurate. I'm probably more interested in politics than 95% of the electorate, and I couldn't even tell you what James Morris (Con, Halesowen & Rowley Regis) looks like. You've missed out. When he was first stood for election there were sign boards with his photo on. There was one by The Civic by Old Hill cross which was given the little Hitler moustache treatment. One of the funniest things I've ever see! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 18, 2019 51 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Theressa May begs to differ You can't lose on personality if you haven't got one, if the concept simply doesn't apply, can you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 18, 2019 43 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I couldn't even tell you what James Morris (Con, Halesowen & Rowley Regis) looks like. Typical word removed, I expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Unused Sub said: You've missed out. When he was first stood for election there were sign boards with his photo on. There was one by The Civic by Old Hill cross which was given the little Hitler moustache treatment. One of the funniest things I've ever see! 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unused Sub Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) Edit - too slow Edited February 18, 2019 by Unused Sub 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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