Popular Post Chindie Posted February 18, 2019 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, peterms said: An early endorsement for our plucky band of chums: 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Whenever an MP resigns from a political party, there are calls for them to fight a by-election under their new banner. This time round, it will be interesting to hear the argument about why we must have a further people's vote on Brexit, but that these MPs should not similarly check whether their constituents, having voted Labour, are content to be represented by a grouping they definitely didn't vote for, instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, peterms said: Whenever an MP resigns from a political party, there are calls for them to fight a by-election under their new banner. This time round, it will be interesting to hear the argument about why we must have a further people's vote on Brexit, but that these MPs should not similarly check whether their constituents, having voted Labour, are content to be represented by a grouping they definitely didn't vote for, instead. Should there be a similar vote when they are de-selected for having the temerity to disagree with Steptoe and his Momentum mentalists? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Risso said: Should there be a similar vote when they are de-selected for having the temerity to disagree with Steptoe and his Momentum mentalists? Which MPs do you think have been deselected? If MPs are deselected, it means the party wants to choose someone else for the coming election when it happens, not that they have been expelled from the party and cease to represent it. What would be the reason for holding a by-election in those circumstances? It's not a job for life, or shouldn't be. The idea of being selected once and then continuing as the representative for 30 or 40 years on the strength of that is a very odd one, and doesn't apply to, for example, councillors, who go through selection each time there's an election, quite reasonably. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, peterms said: Which MPs do you think have been deselected? If MPs are deselected, it means the party wants to choose someone else for the coming election when it happens, not that they have been expelled from the party and cease to represent it. What would be the reason for holding a by-election in those circumstances? It's not a job for life, or shouldn't be. The idea of being selected once and then continuing as the representative for 30 or 40 years on the strength of that is a very odd one, and doesn't apply to, for example, councillors, who go through selection each time there's an election, quite reasonably. Frank Field jumped before he was pushed. Not seen much of a clamour for him to fight a by-election and quite frankly he's to the right of this gang of seven 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 I'd so want a balance party for the middle man. If their ever was a balanced middle party that were half decent they would win every election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, peterms said: Which MPs do you think have been deselected? If MPs are deselected, it means the party wants to choose someone else for the coming election when it happens, not that they have been expelled from the party and cease to represent it. What would be the reason for holding a by-election in those circumstances? It's not a job for life, or shouldn't be. The idea of being selected once and then continuing as the representative for 30 or 40 years on the strength of that is a very odd one, and doesn't apply to, for example, councillors, who go through selection each time there's an election, quite reasonably. He's referring to LB and her local party starting the process to deselect before being called off by Corbyn as it opened him up to further accusations that he's a raging anti-semite. I suppose this depends on the basis for which the deselection was taking place. The process is usually reserved for those who've done major wrong (the recent MP who broke the law when she lied to police following an accident being a prime example). Disagreeing with the leader doesn't qualify. In this case it's clear that there were anti-semetic undertones...see the following... Quote A no-confidence motion in the Labour MP Luciana Berger has been withdrawn and a meeting to discuss her future has been cancelled after it emerged that one of her key opponents within the local party called her a “disruptive Zionist”. Source: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/08/labour-withdraws-luciana-berger-mp-no-confidence-motion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted February 18, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: I'd so want a balance party for the middle man. If their ever was a balanced middle party that were half decent they would win every election You want a new party to exist in the middle ground between Labour and Conservative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 18, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I'd so want a balance party for the middle man. If their ever was a balanced middle party that were half decent they would win every election Or it would be a party pleasing no one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, choffer said: You want a new party to exist in the middle ground between Labour and Conservative? It's a huge swathe of middle ground both parties have moved to the extremes of their ideologies in recent years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: He's referring to LB and her local party starting the process to deselect They didn't. Two motions for a vote of no confidence were laid. Deselection is something else altogether. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chindie said: Or it would be a party pleasing no one. Just the middle class who get screwed no matter who comes in - I think there are a few of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, peterms said: Which MPs do you think have been deselected? If MPs are deselected, it means the party wants to choose someone else for the coming election when it happens, not that they have been expelled from the party and cease to represent it. What would be the reason for holding a by-election in those circumstances? It's not a job for life, or shouldn't be. The idea of being selected once and then continuing as the representative for 30 or 40 years on the strength of that is a very odd one, and doesn't apply to, for example, councillors, who go through selection each time there's an election, quite reasonably. So you're saying that there should be a mandatory re-election process for every MP before they're allowed to recontest their seat at a General election? Fair enough, but that's not what Momentum want to happen. They just want to be able to deselect anybody who doesn't toe the line of Corbyn and Co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 18, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Demitri_C said: Just the middle class who get screwed no matter who comes in - I think there are a few of us The middle class are screwed? Really? Really? I can only assume you've misworded this. There's huge swathes of the country who would kill to be screwed over as middle class if so. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chindie said: Or it would be a party pleasing no one. I think Dem is right on this one. Both parties have lurched to the left/right after many years of the middle ground under Blair and Cameron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, peterms said: They didn't. Two motions for a vote of no confidence were laid. Deselection is something else altogether. The effect is the same! Hounding out members who they don't agree with is the same regardless of how you do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted February 18, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted February 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, bickster said: It's a huge swathe of middle ground both parties have moved to the extremes of their ideologies in recent years Depends on your perspective - some of us might hope for something a bit more radical 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I'd so want a balance party for the middle man. If their ever was a balanced middle party that were half decent they would win every election It’s not about politics/policies it’s about personalities. People won’t vote labour because of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott etc etc. I won’t vote for them again whilst that lot are in charge and I was quite supportive of aspects of their manifesto. If they had a ‘credible’ leader, with a heavyweight shadow cabinet, they would wipe the floor with the Tories. You can have your ‘centre party’ but if it ends up being led by political lightweights, it’ll go nowhere. ‘The left’ need credible people to stand up and get the message across. This split will do nothing but help the Tories. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Risso said: So you're saying that there should be a mandatory re-election process for every MP before they're allowed to recontest their seat at a General election? Fair enough, but that's not what Momentum want to happen. They just want to be able to deselect anybody who doesn't toe the line of Corbyn and Co. I think there's a good case for that. In most cases, a sitting MP would be confident of reselection, as most councillors are, if they have done a good job. Most people I've known in the Labour Party, from right or left, accept that their representatives may not hold exactly the same views as them, and they recognise that people have to be able to work with others of different views if anything is to be achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Chindie said: The middle class are screwed? Really? Really? I can only assume you've misworded this. There's huge swathes of the country who would kill to be screwed over as middle class if so. When you think about who the middle class are it's not the rich it's the oens in the middle who can just about live but are made poor for paying for the rich or the ones poorer than them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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