bannedfromHandV Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 In terms of his off field activity my only major bugbear is the lack of money received for players during his tenure. I don't hold it against him entirely as it's difficult to know how actively involved he's been in the outgoings of players, but someone's dropped the ball because to get the money we have for: Warnock Collins Cuellar Lichaj Holman Dunne Makoun Bannan Ireland Albrighton Not to mention the inability to sell: Hutton Bent Is criminal. Spurs would have made about £30M out of that at least I'd wager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 What's the net loss on that lot? Bit of a shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 (edited) In terms of his off field activity my only major bugbear is the lack of money received for players during his tenure. I don't hold it against him entirely as it's difficult to know how actively involved he's been in the outgoings of players, but someone's dropped the ball because to get the money we have for: Warnock Collins Cuellar Lichaj Holman Dunne Makoun Bannan Ireland Albrighton Not to mention the inability to sell: Hutton Bent Is criminal. Spurs would have made about £30M out of that at least I'd wager The problem here isn't the selling ability of the club or manager, it's the purchase of the players (and the negotiating of their contracts) to begin with. For too long the club was happy to put players on long contracts and pay them way more than they were actually worth. This seemed to continue right up until Lambert arrived. Edited June 6, 2014 by Mantis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 In terms of his off field activity my only major bugbear is the lack of money received for players during his tenure. I don't hold it against him entirely as it's difficult to know how actively involved he's been in the outgoings of players, but someone's dropped the ball because to get the money we have for: Warnock Collins Cuellar Lichaj Holman Dunne Makoun Bannan Ireland Albrighton Not to mention the inability to sell: Hutton Bent Is criminal. Spurs would have made about £30M out of that at least I'd wager I doubt lambert has had much to do with negotiating fees for those players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 In terms of his off field activity my only major bugbear is the lack of money received for players during his tenure. I don't hold it against him entirely as it's difficult to know how actively involved he's been in the outgoings of players, but someone's dropped the ball because to get the money we have for: Warnock Collins Cuellar Lichaj Holman Dunne Makoun Bannan Ireland Albrighton Not to mention the inability to sell: Hutton Bent Is criminal. Spurs would have made about £30M out of that at least I'd wager I doubt lambert has had much to do with negotiating fees for those players And nor should any manager. He should identify who he wants and the rest is up the club. The problem is some managers expect whoever they identify to be brought in regardless of the cost and players demands. If it's refused they walk. Lerner learnt the hard way because of MON. Lambert has worked under Lerner's terms. MON worked under his own terms with full owner backing. You have to wonder what someone like Lambert could achieve with the same kind of backing. I doubt we will ever know. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 If Alex McLeish had overseen last season, the entire fanbase would be against him.Fact Opinion. I think a lot more people have started to see the real problem at the club now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 In terms of his off field activity my only major bugbear is the lack of money received for players during his tenure. I don't hold it against him entirely as it's difficult to know how actively involved he's been in the outgoings of players, but someone's dropped the ball because to get the money we have for: Warnock Collins Cuellar Lichaj Holman Dunne Makoun Bannan Ireland Albrighton Not to mention the inability to sell: Hutton Bent Is criminal. Spurs would have made about £30M out of that at least I'd wager It didn't help that the manager froze out a lot of players which devalued some of them considerably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted June 7, 2014 Moderator Share Posted June 7, 2014 It's almost like he was told to get them off the wage bill.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 It's almost like he was told to get them off the wage bill.... Maybe even told not to use certain players who had lucrative bonuses in their contract! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) I agree his remit was to reduce the wage bill but I still believe his treatment of some of the players has meant we'll get or have got a reduced transfer fee for some of them. Remember a lot of these guys were still picking up their wages but just not playing. How exactly did that reduce the wage bill? Edited June 7, 2014 by Brumstopdogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted June 7, 2014 Moderator Share Posted June 7, 2014 I think this has been covered about 100 times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 In terms of his off field activity my only major bugbear is the lack of money received for players during his tenure. I don't hold it against him entirely as it's difficult to know how actively involved he's been in the outgoings of players, but someone's dropped the ball because to get the money we have for: Warnock Collins Cuellar Lichaj Holman Dunne Makoun Bannan Ireland Albrighton Not to mention the inability to sell: Hutton Bent Is criminal. Spurs would have made about £30M out of that at least I'd wager Do you blame him for that or the person responsible for recruiting them in the first place. despite the many things i have against him, the players he has inherited is challenging....maybe other clubs know a bit more than we do about this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 picking up their wages but just not playing. nub of the whole problem. .....as simple as it sounds. simple game football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 picking up their wages but just not playing. nub of the whole problem. .....as simple as it sounds. simple game football. Agreed - so much for getting them off the wage bill. LOL If Lambert is to stay let's hope he has learnt from his numerous mistakes from the 2013/14 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_of_Pongo_Waring Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) picking up their wages but just not playing. nub of the whole problem. .....as simple as it sounds. simple game football. Agreed - so much for getting them off the wage bill. LOL If Lambert is to stay let's hope he has learnt from his numerous mistakes from the 2013/14 season. Except it's not that simple at all, players have all sorts of bonuses written into contracts including appearance bonuses. Do you really think that there wasn't a reason why players were not included in the first team squad. That Lambert just wanted to make the job that bit more difficult? Edited June 7, 2014 by Ghost_of_Pongo_Waring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I think it is fair to say a very small number of players probably weren't played (rightly or wrongly) because of contractual issues you have alluded to above. Certainly not the majority though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I think this has been covered about 100 times. It maybe has, but I've still to see one decent argument for the way we've bombed players out, thus reducing all their values to nil. I suspect that's a lot more to do with Lerner than Lambert, but it's still stupidity of the highest order. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_of_Pongo_Waring Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I think it is fair to say a very small number of players probably weren't played (rightly or wrongly) because of contractual issues you have alluded to above. Certainly not the majority though. None of us can say how many of the players may have been omitted for contractual reasons but that's the point it's not as simple as you and TRO seem to believe. It wouldn't have been done on a whim, for the hell of it. Just because we don't know what the reasoning was behind the situation doesn't mean that there wasn't a good reason for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 None of us can say how many of the players may have been omitted for contractual reasons but that's the point it's not as simple as you and TRO seem to believe. It wouldn't have been done on a whim, for the hell of it. Just because we don't know what the reasoning was behind the situation doesn't mean that there wasn't a good reason for it. I think you've missed the point on this as it is recognised some players may have been left out for contractual reasons. The point is there are players who weren't, and IMO the majority, who due to what we have done we have recovered a smaller transfer value or received no transfer fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I believe the 'bombing out' of certain players was to try and force their hand into a move elsewhere. Unfortunately a lot of our players on higher wages simply aren't as good as their wages would suggest, so they've simply decided to sit out their contracts. The football purist in me feels a bit let down that professional footballers would rather sit on the bench (the majority of our 'bomb squad' didn't/don't even do that!) than play for another club on a lower wage, but at the end of the day it is AVFC that have given them that deal, and you cannot blame them for making us honour it. Could Lambert have handled things differently? Sure, but we don't know the whole story regarding appearance bonuses etc, only snippets for ITK's. For me, probably my biggest disappointment with Lambert is the performances regressing from 12 months ago when the team that he had built looked like it was going somewhere, which IMO has nothing to do with the 'bomb squad'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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