AntrimBlack Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 On 04/02/2016 at 12:13, Demitri_C said: Like I highlighted above Collymore said something of this nature before he was sacked by the club. Stevo barring Ayew there is no way we are going to recruit the money back. Who on earth will pay 10m for Gana for example? I dont even think we would get 10m for Veretout and he has arguably been better of the two Ah, Collymore, the font of all wisdom. Armitage and Collymore both have it wrong. Plenty of evidence of our scouts being at games. How ridiculous to suggest that it is all done without watching players. I cannot believe that anyone would believe this rubbish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, AntrimBlack said: Ah, Collymore, the font of all wisdom. Armitage and Collymore both have it wrong. Plenty of evidence of our scouts being at games. How ridiculous to suggest that it is all done without watching players. I cannot believe that anyone would believe this rubbish. the thing is mate whats the point of going to games if your not gonna bloody sign anyone!!!!!! Of scouting system is a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: the thing is mate whats the point of going to games if your not gonna bloody sign anyone!!!!!! Of scouting system is a joke I think you are straying from the point of the discussion there, Dem, which was the rubbish article. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 the thing is mate whats the point of going to games if your not gonna bloody sign anyone!!!!!! Of scouting system is a joke You must know your post makes no sense? The scouting system has no say at all over who we ultimately sign nor, especially, the funds available. I think our scoring system is good. At least relative to other clubs. Average at worst 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 49 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: You must know your post makes no sense? The scouting system has no say at all over who we ultimately sign nor, especially, the funds available. I think our scoring system is good. At least relative to other clubs. Average at worst Obviously its the owner who has the final say but we have not really found any real cheap gems have we barring benteke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Very much agree with the whole Post, but didn't 'like' as I don't see the reason Fox should go. I genuinely think he 'nearly' got it right, but that we were so close to the edge after the previous years, the errors you rightly point out (which we all saw, so are perplexing) and the things he didn't forsee (which many of us also didn't, so less perplexing) have been very costly. I don't understand why he then didn't rectify some of that in January (or at least explain why), but other than that would risk that he has learned and will be better next season. (And still don't see how that makes what Leicester did so much better as a process.....) When viewed objectively I don't want him to go. I was too quick with words there. I hold no ill will towards him for January at all, they were clearly hamstrung by the owner. Faulkner I'm positive was a buffoon. Fox? No chance. I think he's a vary astute business man and the very worst thing you can level at him is that he's not a fabled "football man". He has been poorly advised on football matters, clearly. Outside of that he inherited a financial and structural mess every bit as bad as Rémi did a football one. So why is one cut slack and the other not? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Obviously its the owner who has the final say but we have not really found any real cheap gems have we barring benteke? Define gem? How often do you think they should be found? How often do other clubs find them? Fox and indeed Reily have only been in their positions a year no? What price a "gem" these days? How about Amavi? Bit early to judge the summer signings no? Too many unanswerable questions to give a definitive answer IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 11 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Define gem? How often do you think they should be found? How often do other clubs find them? Fox and indeed Reily have only been in their positions a year no? What price a "gem" these days? How about Amavi? Bit early to judge the summer signings no? Too many unanswerable questions to give a definitive answer IMO. Exactly this. As another example, Okore looks to be a decent defender and was signed for only £4m(?) but, at the same time, he's played in a team that has conceded a fair amount of goals. He could quite conceivably be considered a "cheap gem" compared to other defenders, but has still been involved in this Villa side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 37 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Obviously its the owner who has the final say but we have not really found any real cheap gems have we barring benteke? The problem with finding "gems" is that you have around 80 other clubs in Europe (basically every club that's qualified for Europa League or ECL from the Premier League, Serie A, Ligue 1, Bundesliga, Holland, Portugal and Belgium) that are more attractive than us also wanting to sign them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 hour ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: When viewed objectively I don't want him to go. I was too quick with words there. I hold no ill will towards him for January at all, they were clearly hamstrung by the owner. Faulkner I'm positive was a buffoon. Fox? No chance. I think he's a vary astute business man and the very worst thing you can level at him is that he's not a fabled "football man". He has been poorly advised on football matters, clearly. Outside of that he inherited a financial and structural mess every bit as bad as Rémi did a football one. So why is one cut slack and the other not? Maybe because one was completely out of his depth when appointing managers and has made two appointments which at the moment has been a massive contribution to the fact we are bottom of the league and look like losing our position in the premiership. He was part of a transfer committee who seemed to go out and buy a list of targets more for their resale value than anything else, without it appears adequately replacing Benteke and Vlaar, in Bentekes case they just didnt replace him in any way, shape or form. The other has taken a role which I suspect is considerably worse than he first expected and after trying to establish some kind of order gets shafted by the man who had courted him for the role by not being able to get in any of his targets (not even one) which makes the managers role even more difficult with the injuries which have happened. Fox seemed to get a heros welcome from some as he wasnt Faulkner, I dont rate the bloke and never have. His main role is to improve our commercial turnover and much has been made about our much improved sponsorship and new kit deals but has anyone seen figures, anybody know by what percentage they are better than the deals sorted by Faulkner? I look forward to the day he is found out and sacked from our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 He appointed one terrible long term manager, but whom was the right choice for the current situation at the time, given the results. Again, hindsight. Then he appointed Garde. By then it was too late, but I rate him. Many do. You clearly don't. That's an obvious divide. I've made my case for the transfer policy already, can't say much more. Then you've posted something about "hero's welcome" which I'm just going to ignore! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Not sacking Lambert earlier was also a terrible decsion. The whole 'false narrative' leaves a negative impression of Tom Fox. He's lied to us from an early stage, I've seen little since to trust him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Not sacking Lambert earlier was also a terrible decsion. The whole 'false narrative' leaves a negative impression of Tom Fox. He's lied to us from an early stage, I've seen little since to trust him. He gave Lambert a fair crack of the whip. He'd only been in the job a couple of months? What makes you think he has lied? Give me examples. What if he's been lied to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: He gave Lambert a fair crack of the whip. He'd only been in the job a couple of months? What makes you think he has lied? Give me examples. What if he's been lied to? The false narrative rubbish was a lie. And this season he told us we were building something special. Just the usual pr lies Faulkner and the General used to spout. Something I don't like. Now I'm not expecting him to be brutally honest but there's different things he could say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 The false narrative rubbish was a lie. And this season he told us we were building something special. Just the usual pr lies Faulkner and the General used to spout. Something I don't like. Now I'm not expecting him to be brutally honest but there's different things he could say. I don't even remember the false narrative thing now. PR is part of his job role. Besides, I don't think we're shit by his design! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 It is but there's limits. Saying any blame on Lambert is a false narrative was talking to fans like fools, he showed this by sacking him shortly after. He said we're building something special around 10 days before the window opened. I don't believe for one second he didn't have a good idea how janaury was going to turn out. I accept levels of pr but I haven't enjoyed the shit he's spouted at times. And that combined with the complete mess we're in make me think very little of him. He's certainly contributed to our downfall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 It is but there's limits. Saying any blame on Lambert is a false narrative was talking to fans like fools, he showed this by sacking him shortly after. He said we're building something special around 10 days before the window opened. I don't believe for one second he didn't have a good idea how janaury was going to turn out. I accept levels of pr but I haven't enjoyed the shit he's spouted at times. And that combined with the complete mess we're in make me think very little of him. He's certainly contributed to our downfall. He publicly backed the manager, happens all the time. It's famous as a kiss of death sure, but it's as much for the manager as it is us, it removes the media pressure from them to a degree. It's part of his job as CEO. By using phrases such as "false narrative", which he has been mocked for, surely he was speaking to us like adults rather than using the same old tired rhetoric. Besides which he was very new to the role, perhaps he had a little learn about football fan PR? I also don't recall him saying 10 days before the January transfer window that we were building something special, but if so, poor timing yes. But ultimately, "meh". You seem to have a real complex about being talked down to? I find it strange. Yes we're in a mess on the pitch. To blame Tom Fox for that is, IMO, ignorant to the fundamental issues we have had for almost a decade previous to his incumbency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: He publicly backed the manager, happens all the time. It's famous as a kiss of death sure, but it's as much for the manager as it is us, it removes the media pressure from them to a degree. It's part of his job as CEO. By using phrases such as "false narrative", which he has been mocked for, surely he was speaking to us like adults rather than using the same old tired rhetoric. Besides which he was very new to the role, perhaps he had a little learn about football fan PR? I also don't recall him saying 10 days before the January transfer window that we were building something special, but if so, poor timing yes. But ultimately, "meh". You seem to have a real complex about being talked down to? I find it strange. Yes we're in a mess on the pitch. To blame Tom Fox for that is, IMO, ignorant to the fundamental issues we have had for almost a decade previous to his incumbency. I don't blame Tom Fox, he's just another figure in the world of Randy Lerner that has contributed to our downfall. Wouldn't say its a complex, just don't appreciate the clear bullshit message the club sends to us while we're this bad in virtually all areas of a professional club. Just does nothing for me and like I say, combined with our relegation, there's nothing really that makes me like Tom Fox. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Fair enough. I don't think Tom Fox was bullshiting, at any point. I think people are too reliant on hindsight as proof. I think we're as close as we are going to get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 The girl that had dinner with N'Zogbia has been kicked out of the ground for having a go at Tom Fox, according to her Twitter. AVFC @ktvilla92 21m21 minutes ago Kicked out and st taken off me with my81 year old father for telling fox that 'football is nothing without the fans' AVFC @ktvilla92 20m20 minutes ago Lying on the floor in the concourse crying my eyes out... "Order has come from the most senior man at the club" There's a video of the stewards escorting her out that I can't post on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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