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They would probably say the same about us!

Is it possible Newcastle could be down by the time we play them? If so, maybe we could get their fans to join in and we could all have one big relegation party! If you listen to pundits talking about them and their fans phoning in, it could be mistaken for us - our mismanagement has been so similar.

When redundancies were happening at our firm some years ago, we had a meeting and discussed and, as a result, some of the staff volunteered to reduce their hours so that a couple of the redundancies could be saved. So in a way, the staff did chip in. Eventually, things picked up again and all those who had reduced their hours were able to go back on to full hours. We had no pay rises for about five years either and only a small one when they were able to do it. Not that that's anything to do with Villa and they certainly wouldn't take a wage cut I'm sure!

No tears from me. Got over it long since. Party now. Players and owner crap. Us Villa fans will never lie down and die. Bring onnext season. Well done Leicester.

Thanks for the answers. I too am very surprised that it's as recent as 2011/2012. I would have thought it would have been the turn of the century. Mind you, of all those teams, only Swansea have remained a constant. Let's hope we follow their example then

Does anyone know this?

As a matter of interest, when was the last time that NONE of the promoted teams went straight back down? I bet it's some time ago.

Moyes is favourite now but Shearer and Wright on MOTD quick to say we shd have Pearson Me thinks Shearer wants Moyes for Toon. Get it done Villa. Announce Moyes soon (please) even if he doesnt actually take charge till Summer.

I thought this was the Remi Garde thread? Why do people still have to keep going on about Tim Sherwood all the time ? Just forget it now - same as we can forget Remi soon too. Stop all the point scoring. The people who hated Sherwood are so obvious , Ok as are the people who liked him (me included!) but I really can't understand how Garde gets cut so much slack. Probably because in some people's eyes, he's not Sherwood I guess!! I just don't find Remi inspiring at all and god knows what he says to the players at half-time.

I have mixed feelings, I do feel sorry for Remi and know the problems are at the top and with the players BUT I also think it's very much a case of "The King's New Clothes" with Remi as well. He is saying some things about players etc just the same as Sherwood did - but Sherwood got absolutely slaughtered for it. He doesn't seem able to motivate the players - lord only knows what he says to them at his half-time team talk - but he also looks a broken man already. Him and Tim Sherwood have both been done over by the Board.

Yes - don't want to lose my seat for when we are taken over by multi Billionaire and compete with Man C, Man U, Arsenal, etc - need to be in my seat before some glory hunting supporter nicks it (Oh well I can dream )

I remember these days too and the ones in the 70's when we were in Div 3 as it was then (I was at school) BUT relegation probably didn't have such severe consequences in those days before the almighty Premier League was formed. To be out of that for a club of our history and size is absolutely tragic - but then again, we are so far off the top echelons of it that I am almost in a perverse way looking forward to a time when things are more fair for us. I think the premier league has destroyed football in a lot of ways and until a European Super League is formed when the Sky 6/7 can go, the rest of us have no chance. However, I think the White Flag/Hanky thing is good too. We need to support the team no matter how crap - but get the message over the Randy and his crap Board.

Ray Parlour on Talk Sport this morning - apparently Debuchy is to choose between us and Sunderland. Brazil asked Parlour which he should choose - Parlour said "I suppose Sunderland as they have a far better chance of getting out of it than Villa" - well WTF difference does that make if it is only to be short-term loan to the end of the season ???

Why dont they try getting a hypnotherapist in to see if it did any good Desperate times need anything that might help.

Just lately on VT whenever I want to change topic within the same forum even, I keep getting an annoying message "Message from Web Page" Do you wish to leave this page? False then options "Leave the Page" or "Stay on the Page" - it's only been recently and only when viewing on my PC at work - when I use my tablet at home this doesn't happen - any ideas how to stop it doing it - it's driving me mad.

Several things really, 1. Whilst my head says we should be preparing for the championship, my heart screams "NOOO" we must fight with every last breath in our body and do everything possible until it is mathematically impossible to avoid relegation. 2. I would LOVE IT, just Love it (as Keegan would say) if we could perform the miracle and ram it down everybody's throats. 3. Sadly however, I think we will be down by March and therefore I will just want the season to end so that we can begin afresh 4. I don't think we will only be in the Championship for just one season - unless we go down again! 5. Whilst people say Remi is obviously a big part of our future plans, so was Tim Sherwood - look at all the "Say it Like Sherwood " stuff - none of that stopped the Board sacking him 6. Nothing will change I don't think until Lerner finally goes. 7. I'm absolutely devastated

Pathetic. I started this season so full of hope. Bought a top for first time in years. Now I just cant wait for it to end . Just a miserable procession of games until the inevitable R appears next to our name . Wish it cd be August and we could start again in Championship. Mind you i can see us dropping straight down under this owner and his cronies I had a slight hope but today it died.

In view of the all supposed "Riches" coming into the PL next season, I almost wish we had gone down last Season and were in with a chance of coming back up for next season - however, I don't expect us to come back anytime soon in reality.

Plenty of local derby games and not too far to travel for quite a few away games next season. Blooz, Wolves, Derby, Forest , possibly Cov and even Walsall and Burton maybe. Trying to look on the bright side.The Championship is THE Midlands League.

I only listen because there is no local alternative for post match reaction now.

Well if anyone listened to WM on way home, he got a right pasting on there. Franksy says he is a fancy dan with no substance who spends all his time adjusting his shorts - and all the callers in agreed. I couldnt believe it really. Apart from missing the sitter, I thought he did well today and has been improving all the time. MInd you Franksy seems to be loving our demise but thats for another thread .

We are down. Worst possible season to go down. Our days as Pride of The Midlands are gone. Albion , Stoke and now even Leicester are better than us. All prem clubs next season and dont bet against Blues joining them. With all the big money coming in next season. Us and Wolves, traditionally the 2 biggest clubs in the area, will be Championship clubs - and not coming back any time soon. Who is to blame for years of decline? I haven't QUITE given up all hope just yet but I am trying to get ready for it. I just feel so very sad about it but then I have to think , in the grand scheme of what is happening in the world we are living in today, it is nothing really I guess.

I also blame the constant international breaks too. Just no chance to build momentum. 3 weeks and stop all the time. Plus of course we lost Amavi in this one . No more now until March i think. Need to get some good momentum now.

Lerner's damage you mean. Problem always has been at the top.