snowychap Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 the word "monetize". If I have to hear another talking head ponder the future of the internet and how facebook and google are going to "monetize" the eyeballs I might through things through the television. Monetise I guess it depends whether you see it coming from the French or the Latin. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 the word "monetize". If I have to hear another talking head ponder the future of the internet and how facebook and google are going to "monetize" the eyeballs I might through things through the television. Monetise I guess it depends whether you see it coming from the French or the Latin. ;-) Confused, you mean the British and American spellings have different origins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Confused, you mean the British and American spellings have different origins? '-ize' does not automatically mean the US spelling (though the US spelling, I suppose, would always be '-ize'). If you get what I mean. This is some bod's attempt at an explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Wow, didn't know that :shock: Nevertheless, "-ise" is still acceptable and will continue to be the one I use regularly as I'm already used to it anyway. Also, regardless of which form came first, "-ise" seems to prevail in Britain these days while "-ize" is favoured among Americans, so I think calling one "British spelling" and another one American seems justified to me. Edit: Apparently the French-derived suffix was more common before and during the 16th century, after which the Greek version took hold. Thanks for the info anyhow, really enlightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 '-ize' does not automatically mean the US spelling (though the US spelling, I suppose, would always be '-ize'). If you get what I mean. It usually does, doesn't it? Regardless of etymological origins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 '-ize' does not automatically mean the US spelling (though the US spelling, I suppose, would always be '-ize'). If you get what I mean. It usually does, doesn't it? Regardless of etymological origins. Usually (in that the common use nowadays would be '-ize' in US and '-ise' in UK), yes, but as I said not necessarily. Edit: Apparently the French-derived suffix was more common before and during the 16th century, after which the Greek version took hold. Ah, interesting. It does agree that the correct spelling is the Greek one, though. Thanks for the info anyhow, really enlightening Same to you with that above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 It does agree that the correct spelling is the Greek one, though. No it doesn't language changes all the time. What's correct now will probably not be in 200 years' time. Similarly, what was correct 300 years ago has no bearing on what is correct now. Both spellings are grammatically correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Soft bananas. Much prefer them a little firm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 It does agree that the correct spelling is the Greek one, though. No it doesn't language changes all the time. What's correct now will probably not be in 200 years' time. Similarly, what was correct 300 years ago has no bearing on what is correct now. Well, I should have used was (i.e. when it partially reverted) rather than is. As to the rest, whilst I agree that language does evolve over time, I think there is an argument to be had about whether common usage in language makes something correct (or rather makes the correct usage incorrect). Thinking about it more, I don't accept either of the two highlighted statements even if they are specific to the ize/ise question though as they come after your point about language I infer that it's a more general comment (stand to be corrected here, though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 I don't necessarily agree that language changes all the time (which is sometimes used as an excuse for poor, or incorrect, usage), I would suggest that it evolves (unfortunately quite often through incorrect usage). Same thing, and yes often due to incorrect usage. But if communication isn't impeded, why bother? That's my take on language anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 I don't necessarily agree that language changes all the time (which is sometimes used as an excuse for poor, or incorrect, usage), I would suggest that it evolves (unfortunately quite often through incorrect usage). Same thing, and yes often due to incorrect usage. But if communication isn't impeded, why bother? That's my take on language anyway. Ah, sorry. I edited my post as I thought it was rather clumsily worded. I don't think they do suggest the same thing. The evolution of language suggests to me that it's a development of what went before whereas language changes all the time suggests a transformation from one thing in to another. Whilst at a micro level the latter may happen to constituent parts, at a macro level the former must in order not to impede communication, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 The evolution of language suggests to me that it's a development of what went before whereas language changes all the time suggests a transformation from one thing in to another. Again, don't see a difference between the two. Whilst at a micro level the latter may happen to constituent parts, at a macro level the former must in order not to impede communication, surely? Huh? Befuddled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 26, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted May 26, 2012 The evolution of language suggests to me that it's a development of what went before whereas language changes all the time suggests a transformation from one thing in to another. Again, don't see a difference between the two. Whilst at a micro level the latter may happen to constituent parts, at a macro level the former must in order not to impede communication, surely? Huh? Befuddled.Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 People who take football far too seriously. Chill out people... its just a game you have no control over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponky Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Movie previews in the cinema that say "THIS YEAR..." This year what? You'll go and see this movie this year? Um, yeah, okay. Looks a bit shit so I might go home and download it actually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irreverentad Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Having a shirt and tie on while I have a sunburnt neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Having a shirt and tie on while I have a sunburnt neck. I decided to don just the shirt today. Rolled up the sleeves opened the top two buttons (I'm a maverick). Glorious sunshine this morning until I get to work and the heavens literally opened and tunder and loitning came. Now i'll have to look like a prized nobber with my bag over my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irreverentad Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Having a shirt and tie on while I have a sunburnt neck. I decided to don just the shirt today. Rolled up the sleeves opened the top two buttons (I'm a maverick). Glorious sunshine this morning until I get to work and the heavens literally opened and tunder and loitning came. Now i'll have to look like a prized nobber with my bag over my head. haha wet shirt look? The ladies love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 With my breasts it would certainly turn a few heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 28, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted May 28, 2012 People who use the phonetic alphabet on the phone at work. It really shouldn't piss me off, but it really does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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