CI Posted December 8, 2011 Author Share Posted December 8, 2011 Irelands had plenty of chances and hasn't taken any of them He is a lazy man who never wanted to be here and has taken the royal piss out of the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 When a club has limited cash to spend then every signing, EVERY SIGNING, has to be able to come in and make an immediate impact and show their value to the club. With a dwindling squad you cannot afford to give a chance or wait for 6 months for a player to settle in. These two have beenunable to make an immediate impact (in fact not sure how long it would take for them to make any impact). They have been a waste of money at a time when we have little to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Makoun and Ireland have both been bad for us and a waste of money. I would say neither have been given a fair crack of the wip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 See my response above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Yes Rich, i agree with what your saying in principle, but to buy a player who will come in and garantee you an instant impact your talking a hell of a lot of money which we dont have. Ireland was starting to look better, then gets dropped for no apparent reason, then gets injured. That is not being given a fair crack...its just down right stupid! Drop a player who looks like returning to form... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Im sure makoun playing would have been more value for money than Jenas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I am sure Berson would be better values than Makoun or Jenas. Its not much to say that he’s better value than Jenas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houllierout Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 i reckon Randy is chillaxing with a cigar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted December 8, 2011 Author Share Posted December 8, 2011 Nah he'll be in another warzone somewhere Monday - Aston Tuesday - Kabul Wednesday - Lozells precinct Thursday - ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 8, 2011 Moderator Share Posted December 8, 2011 Yes Rich, i agree with what your saying in principle, but to buy a player who will come in and garantee you an instant impact your talking a hell of a lot of money which we dont have. How much did Cabaye or Tiote cost Newcastle again? We just did bad business with both Makoun and Ireland, its not lack of chances that are the issue but the players themselves in my view. More over its the decisions of the managers and those that appoint them that has led to these mistakes amongst many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Well according to Cabaye Houllier was trying to sign him - so there was some interest at one stage - trouble is McEck won't know of such gems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted December 8, 2011 Moderator Share Posted December 8, 2011 When a club has limited cash to spend then every signing, EVERY SIGNING, has to be able to come in and make an immediate impact and show their value to the club. With a dwindling squad you cannot afford to give a chance or wait for 6 months for a player to settle in..Such a scenario is not possible. The only logical corollary would be to never make any signings - it is not possible with human beings for every signing to instantly work. So if you can't tolerate one or more not instantly working, you have to insist that we make no signings (for money) and rely on home grown, loans and freebies. Alternatively, of course, we could take a slightly longer view, and say, it would be great i they all worked, and did so immediately, but realistically that's daft, so some period of adjustment is tolerable, some settling in time almost inevitable, as is the possibility that some will not work at all. That would lead to profiling the type of players that you elect to sign - they have to be sell-onable if it doesn't work out, rather than the Heskey type. They have to be on wages that reflect your straightened times, so that they are no prohibitively costly for any potential buyer. They should ideally be on incentivised contracts, rather than "money for nothing" contracts. All that stuff points towards the board having a significant say in the signings, more than just the manager, or alternatively the manager being givn the autonomy and responsibility, but he would need to have clearly set out parameters that he has to work to. Or is that not a fair summary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Well according to Cabaye Houllier was trying to sign him - so there was some interest at one stage - trouble is McEck won't know of such gems No. But he knows of a Northern Irish midfielder who has already been a failure in the Premiership once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted December 8, 2011 Author Share Posted December 8, 2011 Martin O'Neill ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Martin O'Neill ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOne Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Here we go again where his team have **** up. How is it that last season when Ireland was sent on loan we had to pay his wages, but when we get an injury prone player like Jenas on loan we have to pay his wages? When is the board ever going to face up to their responsibility they're costing us millions due to their incompetent mistakes? They're not learning anything. A competent owner would bring incompetent people like Paul Faulkner to one side and sack him on the spot for losing his millions. But seeing as Randy Lerner has never had to work for it he'll just let it slide continously and stick with his muppet of a buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makouns_grin Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Here we go again where his team have **** up. How is it that last season when Ireland was sent on loan we had to pay his wages, but when we get an injury prone player like Jenas on loan we have to pay his wages? When is the board ever going to face up to their responablity they're costing us millions due to their incompetent mistakes? They're not learning anything. A competent owner would bring incompetent people like Paul Faulkner to one side and sack him on the spot for losing his millions. But seeing as Randy Lerner has never had to work for it and doesn't know the value of money he'll just let it slide continously and stick with his muppet of a buddy. How do you know all this though? Just because a few people on a message board get all worked up and post confidently about things that are going wrong doesnt mean any of it is true, some might be true some might not. Your post seems to imply we're pretty much the worse run club in the world. When we're really not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 8, 2011 Moderator Share Posted December 8, 2011 Here we go again where his team have **** up. How is it that last season when Ireland was sent on loan we had to pay his wages, but when we get an injury prone player like Jenas on loan we have to pay his wages? When is the board ever going to face up to their responablity they're costing us millions due to their incompetent mistakes? They're not learning anything. A competent owner would bring incompetent people like Paul Faulkner to one side and sack him on the spot for losing his millions. But seeing as Randy Lerner has never had to work for it and doesn't know the value of money he'll just let it slide continously and stick with his muppet of a buddy. How do you know all this though? Just because a few people on a message board get all worked up and post confidently about things that are going wrong doesnt mean any of it is true, some might be true some might not. Your post seems to imply we're pretty much the worse run club in the world. When we're really not. He knows thus because both instances are a matter of public record. Certainly the Ireland to Newcastle bit was confirmed and I'm fairly sure there would have been a denial by now if the Jenas angle were untrue (purely because people are saying such things and the way Villa is run - very much with an eye on the PR angle at all times). The point OnlyOne makes is perfectly valid, Newcastle were only paying for Ireland after he was fit to play, we've been paying Jenas even though he's unfit for months and has a terrible history of injuries - that if true is a very poor decision and clearly we aren't learning and that is very worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Your post seems to imply we're pretty much the worse run club in the world. When we're really not. We're certainly one of the worst run in this league. For it to go so badly, so quickly, takes some doing. IMO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOne Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I don't think we can even recall Makoun back from loan as well?! :x For all AM's faults we have bigger problems upstairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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