AVFCforever1991 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) Do people not realise that changing manager isn't really going to solve anything? It's turning into a vicious circle. Change of heart Edited January 24, 2013 by AVFCforever1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) Do people not realise that changing manager isn't really going to solve anything? It's turning into a vicious circle. I'm well aware of what I've said in the past thanks. However, there is a limit and as with McLeish I feel Lambert has passed that limit. We do need stability still but why keep on a manager that clearly isn't up to it? Yeah damn right I've had a change of heart. When you look at the results since then and the dramatic slide that has taken place since the Liverpool game it's not surprising to see why I've changed my mind. This isn't some fickle reaction to our shameful displays against Bradford - it's a reaction to weeks of heavy defeats/shit performances where the manager has got even the basics wrong and has clearly failed to pick his players up. I was always prepared to back Lambert while we were inconsistent but we've been consistently dreadful for quite some time now. Edited January 24, 2013 by Mantis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 One further point on Lambert. He simply must stop chopping and changing the team. He must choose his best team and stick to that allowing players to form an understanding, affording injuries of course. I agree - I think he has taken too long to settle on his best team Assuming no injuries I think he will go Lowton------Vlaar--------Dunne--------Bennett -----------------------Herd----------------------------- ----Westwood-----------------Delph---------------- ------------------------Zog------------------------------- ------------Benteke----------Weimann------------- with Given, Clark, Baker, Holman, Ireland, Gabby & Bent on the bench I think that might just be enough to see us safe but injuries could kill us A couple of decent signings or even loanees are badly needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I'd be tempted to put Clark DM, can tackle and a good passer of the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I'm kind of optimistic going forward under Lambert, even without any new signings. Let's see what we can do with Vlaar back in the team, an improving Delph/Westwood partnership and NZogbia playing out of his skin. There have been signs of how we can play lately, if we can stretch that over 90 minutes then we'll start picking up more points. There IS a good team in there somewhere, it just needs to find some attitude from somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 What experience could he buy within the wage structure available? Quality experienced players were not going to come here with the wages we were offering Our budget is still a lot better than teams like Reading, Norwich, Southampton, Wigan, West Ham, Stoke etc. There are tons of players we could have got that have all played PL football and are better than what we have now or would add to us. Junior Hoilett, Nzonzi, Ji Sung Park, Bassong, Adam, Hitz would all have added to our team plus a ton of others, just look at anyone who signed for Newcastle for example. For some reason Lambert spent all of his money on Benteke and while hes a great player what really needed fixing was the core of the team and getting service to Bent. The fact we now have a 24m striker on the bench yet we have a defence that cant keep a clean sheet to save its life shows something has gone seriously wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I'd be tempted to put Clark DM, can tackle and a good passer of the ball I think he prefers Herd there but Clark could well get a good few games too given Herd injury problems Anyone know when Dunne is likely to be available - he's go to be within a couple of stone of first team fitness by now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Our budget is still a lot better than teams like Reading, Norwich, Southampton, Wigan, West Ham, Stoke etc. There are tons of players we could have got that have all played PL football and are better than what we have now or would add to us. Junior Hoilett, Nzonzi, Ji Sung Park, Bassong, Adam, Hitz would all have added to our team plus a ton of others, just look at anyone who signed for Newcastle for example. Really!! Nice to see Adam mentioned - he's earning about what 6 of our new signings in total are earning. What about Berbatov - he hasn't had a mention for a few pages and as we know would play for peanuts It's like Groundhog Day!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I think if he has been given no money he will be gone at end of season. Will walk if stay up and sacked if relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Really!! Nice to see Adam mentioned - he's earning about what 6 of our new signings in total are earning. What about Berbatov - he hasn't had a mention for a few pages and as we know would play for peanuts It's like Groundhog Day!! How much do you think our new players are on? 2k a week? He isn't on anywhere near as much as you think. I didn't even mention Berbatov, so why you bring him up I have no idea. If our budget can't complete with the likes of Stoke and Norwich then we are ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 You are so so wrong. Norwich are offering Gary Hooper £40,000-a-week if they can do a deal with Celtic. I beleive you re Hooper but why has PL come to Villa if we can't compete with Norwich? and secondly why can't we compete with Norwich - we have richer owner and bring more money in Lerner is resetting the finances - will we be back in the market for the Sissoko's of this world anytime soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 It probably can but the problem is we have a lot of high earners already, they're just not playing because they're mostly shit. I don't agree with Lerner's transfer policy of not spending at all but I do believe that if we can shift the likes of Given, Ireland, Hutton and Bent along with the already departing Dunne and Warnock at the end of the season then he might spend a fair bit in the summer. I get the impression the problem has always been the wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 How much do you think our new players are on? 2k a week? He isn't on anywhere near as much as you think. I didn't even mention Berbatov, so why you bring him up I have no idea. If our budget can't complete with the likes of Stoke and Norwich then we are ****. How much do you think Adam is on?? I think Westwood, Lowton and Bennett are on £10k a week max, KEA around £15k, Bowery about £6-8k, Benteke around £20k Adam will be on around £60k (as is Ireland) ....and no we can't compete with the like of Stoke or Norwich at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 You are so so wrong. Norwich are offering Gary Hooper £40,000-a-week if they can do a deal with Celtic. Villa couldn't even get close to matching those wages never mind the transfer fee. Are you serious about Reading....what do you think they are paying Remy? Get real. Wigan's wage bill is very high and lets not go there with West Ham. Bassong is also on £40,000 at Norwich now that I notice you have mentioned him as well. And yes, Adam is on serious money at Stoke. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but if you are going to post things as fact then please try and carry out a bit of research or thought to your post! Wigans wage bill is high? Its one of the lowest in the league at about £40m. You also seem to think Remy plays for Reading so I suggest you do some research before you post as well. Any one player who is a first team player in the Prem is going to expect about 20-30k a week min and to say we can't afford that is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJT123 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I agree - I think he has taken too long to settle on his best team Assuming no injuries I think he will go Lowton------Vlaar--------Dunne--------Bennett -----------------------Herd----------------------------- ----Westwood-----------------Delph---------------- ------------------------Zog------------------------------- ------------Benteke----------Weimann------------- with Given, Clark, Baker, Holman, Ireland, Gabby & Bent on the bench I think that might just be enough to see us safe but injuries could kill us A couple of decent signings or even loanees are badly needed That would be my starting Line up. Don't think we would get relegated with that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 You are so so wrong. Norwich are offering Gary Hooper £40,000-a-week if they can do a deal with Celtic. Villa couldn't even get close to matching those wages never mind the transfer fee. Are you serious about Reading....what do you think they are paying Remy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 If we can't complete with Norwich why is Lambert with us and not them? We can, his spending and the way hes gone about it is why we aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Trouble with that strategy is that in the Championship, it will take a bit more than one or two on 40K per week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 24, 2013 Moderator Share Posted January 24, 2013 For me, the best three players for Villa this season have been Benteke, Westwood and Guzan. (Strange that two are Lambert's signings and the other he made a decision to keep at the club). Vlaar, I'm sure most would agree, has looked pretty decent when he has been available but one of the biggest problems at Villa is that there is a dressing room packed with players who have spent the last few years underachieving and show not a great deal of interest in trying to change that. Villa wouldn't start progressing properly until the likes of Ireland, Nzgobia and Bent are finally shown the door and release up massive amounts of wages. Then, and only then, will things gather momentum. In the meantime, it is simply about trying to pick up as many points as possible to stay in the division. All the teams around us have been spending money and it would have made sense, having watched him sign some good players, to give him some more money to work with I agree with that overview. The issue is whether the speed of change is too fast. I don't envy him his task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Lambert signing plays well - what a manager, proof he will be great. Lambert signing plays bad - what do you expect? He wasn't backed. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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