jonno_2004 Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Worrying that a party in Greece (The Golden Dawn party) policies include placing landmines on the Turkish border to stem immigration ... Has got around 8 % of the vote ... Doesn't sound a lot but then the biggest party is only showing around 18 % of the vote Blame our Politicians for that. All of them have continually ignored and allowed mass immigration and entire areas of european cities to become large slums filled by migrants who have little common with that countries indigenous white ethnic groups in relation to values and culture. Not to mention all the crime. Need I mention some areas in Brum for instance... I dont know about anyone else but I dont want anybody coming to my country unless they are fleeing a war zone or have the required amount of skills that will benefit us such as doctors etc. Because Greece has no party who wants to focus on immigration they have turned to thi golden dawn lot who are offering street level protection. I like your thinking. I'm going to stand as an MP next time on this very issue. I promise to enforce the borders of anywhere north of Oxfordshire with guard posts and land mines. God forbid we should let the poor unskilled from the North down here. Imagine it, ghettos of Scousers living in shanty towns on the outskirts of London..... how terrible. Oh, and anyone who's not pale and ginger will be forcibly deported from whence they came. Can have them diluting the Purity of the race can we? Unless the know about medicine... or maybe represent the Homeland in some international sport. The real threat to this country is from racist, bigoted, intolerant clearings in the woods like you. How am I racist?? .......immigrants to the UK have been from all colours black, asian and white :bonk: !!! Can this person be banned please? that last post contains personal abuse which is a clear breach of this sites rules 8) Where do I say the Golden Dawn party is good?? left wing political correct attitudes like yours throughout the whole of europe in terms of not letting the other side of the argument voice their opinion has led to the extreme far right gaining ground as much as the economic crisis. To quote the great Winston Churchill... "The fascists of the future will be called anti-fascists" If you were trying to make a reasonable point, 'indigenous whites' shouldn't really be part of it. People of all races are part of the society in which immigrants are apparently supposed to integrate into. Then you'd have a leg to stand on when it comes to defending yourself against reactionary/rabble-rousing posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 just indigenous groups then (of whom most happen to be historically white christian) Apologies for taking this further off topic but I'd suggest it may have been 'immigrants' wot done this one, too. :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 7, 2012 Moderator Share Posted May 7, 2012 Indigenous groups actually appear to have been pagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 I think we should just pile back into the congo and leave the rest of the world to its true indigenous speices, y'know, plants and shit. Has no one considered the plants point of view? Us humans waltzing into foreign lands and taking all the space with no consideration for others. I'd be pretty miffed if I were a plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesWithe Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 I don't think it is as simple as skilled/unskilled. Why can't they come here to gain skills? . Maybe because currently we have a huge level of unemployment in the UK a lot of it youth and we need to concentrate on getting them into work?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 This morning the French people are waking up to a new President. Meanwhile, Carla Bruni's waking up next to an unemployed French midget. I give it six months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 8, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted May 8, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Was that a dig at me Heck, I'm taller than him anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnie Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I don't think it is as simple as skilled/unskilled. Why can't they come here to gain skills? What about unskilled asylum seekers? Immigration is something we should be proud of, and it should be dealt with decency and not polemic soundbites. . Dont like to comment on politics threads but honestly that is the dumbest statement I have ever read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc443 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I don't think it is as simple as skilled/unskilled. Why can't they come here to gain skills? What about unskilled asylum seekers? Immigration is something we should be proud of, and it should be dealt with decency and not polemic soundbites. . Dont like to comment on politics threads but honestly that is the dumbest statement I have ever read. x10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnie Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I don't think it is as simple as skilled/unskilled. Why can't they come here to gain skills? What about unskilled asylum seekers? Immigration is something we should be proud of, and it should be dealt with decency and not polemic soundbites. . Dont like to comment on politics threads but honestly that is the dumbest statement I have ever read. x10 Look forward to seeing his liberal tree hugging response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 There is no tree hugging about it. So called 'mass' immigration is a price you pay for exploiting countries further down the scale. We make money from their misfortune, it's only natural then for people in those countries to see us as a place to come and improve their lives. Who are we to deny them that chance? Of course, we don't have enough resources and jobs to go around, and it is a small country, so you do need to have limits. My point was that it isn't as simple as skilled/unskilled. If someone wants to come and improve their lives for the sake of their families in this country, rather than slaving it for tuppence in a factory, then fair play to them. If you want to stop 'mass' immigration then you help improve the state of affairs in their home countries. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno_2004 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 There is no tree hugging about it. So called 'mass' immigration is a price you pay for exploiting countries further down the scale. We make money from their misfortune, it's only natural then for people in those countries to see us as a place to come and improve their lives. Who are we to deny them that chance? Of course, we don't have enough resources and jobs to go around, and it is a small country, so you do need to have limits. My point was that it isn't as simple as skilled/unskilled. If someone wants to come and improve their lives for the sake of their families in this country, rather than slaving it for tuppence in a factory, then fair play to them. If you want to stop 'mass' immigration then you help improve the state of affairs in their home countries. .That response is a breath of fresh air. Far, far better than flinging back mud anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 There is no tree hugging about it. So called 'mass' immigration is a price you pay for exploiting countries further down the scale. We make money from their misfortune, it's only natural then for people in those countries to see us as a place to come and improve their lives. Who are we to deny them that chance? Of course, we don't have enough resources and jobs to go around, and it is a small country, so you do need to have limits. My point was that it isn't as simple as skilled/unskilled. If someone wants to come and improve their lives for the sake of their families in this country, rather than slaving it for tuppence in a factory, then fair play to them. If you want to stop 'mass' immigration then you help improve the state of affairs in their home countries. . That response is a breath of fresh air. Far, far better than flinging back mud anyway. *2 Excellent post CEB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 9, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2012 If you want to stop 'mass' immigration then you help improve the state of affairs in their home countries. Well, despite my tree-hugging lefty credentials, I'll just play a bit of devil's advocate here. It depends on what you think the primary responsibility of a national government is. Is it to alleviate suffering in less well-off parts of the world, even at the expense of its own citizens? Or is it to optimise the living conditions of its own citizens, if necessary at the expense of other nations? If it's the latter, then there are other ways to stop mass immigration besides making the world a fairer place. There are the plain old draconian ways, too. Not saying I agree with it, but it's a legitimate point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 France has always been left, Even when they were right.. They are a socialist nation and always will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 9, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2012 France has always been left, Even when they were right.. They are a socialist nation and always will be.Another reason I like them - and Tony H doesn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 9, 2012 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2012 Is it to alleviate suffering in less well-off parts of the world, even at the expense of its own citizens? Or is it to optimise the living conditions of its own citizens, if necessary at the expense of other nations? I think it's both, but in different degrees. A government should act on behalf of it's own people so the priority must be it's own people, but it will (and should) always do what it can for others as a secondary concern. In the same way that a person will prioritise themselves but should do what they can for others in need. The government should be the extension of the broadest estimation of what the average person of that country needs and wants to do. Though all of the above is complete and utter idealistic b*ll*cks and is so far from the truth that if you didn't laugh you'd cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Technically its Her Majesty's Government right? so the goverment shoud answer to the Monarch, instead of the people lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 The government should be the extension of the broadest estimation of what the average person of that country needs and wants to do. Uh.....democracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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