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I don't think they are mutually exclusive. Helping other countries improve benefits us, and improving things at home will rub off abroad I.e emerging economies have plenty of new customers for us to export to, gdp at home improves, and we invest in new technologies that can benefit us all.

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France has always been left, Even when they were right.. They are a socialist nation and always will be.
Another reason I like them - and Tony H doesn't! :lol:

:-)

( one of many many many reasons )

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One of this site's lefties posted some time back, that reducing their tax rate by 5% was hardly likely to galvanize the rich into extra effort... and I agree.

However, I resisted the temptation to reply that perhaps they should have cut it by half... that might make a difference today, just as it made a difference when Thatcher reduced the top rate from 83% to 40%.... when to the horror of the Labour party she actually started receiving more money at the lower rate.

I mention this because a friend of mine who sells property in Chelsea and Knightsbridge, says he has already received calls from 2 very rich Frenchmen wanting to buy property here so they can pay 45% in London rather than 75%

in Paris.

I wonder if the looney left, including the galactically stupid Hollande, will ever manage to understand how the world really works.

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I don't think they are mutually exclusive. Helping other countries improve benefits us, and improving things at home will rub off abroad I.e emerging economies have plenty of new customers for us to export to, gdp at home improves, and we invest in new technologies that can benefit us all.

Some of that is entirely accurate.

However, it's always tinged with the knowledge that helping someone else come up, in some way threatens your standing no matter the benefits that may come from doing that too. All activities in the realm of international relations are never altruistic, and they're never done without thinking about the risk it represents to you.

As for what a government's remit is... well it's to protect it's citizens at it's heart. For better and worse, that has been interpreted wider and wider, and forgotten in some (many?) cases.

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The government should be the extension of the broadest estimation of what the average person of that country needs and wants to do.

Uh.....democracy?

Yes but I feel there are 2 salient points here. Firstly, the use of the word 'should' and secondly the following sentence that you left out of the quote.
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France has always been left, Even when they were right.. They are a socialist nation and always will be.
Another reason I like them - and Tony H doesn't! :lol:

:-)

( one of many many many reasons )

4 socialist presidential terms of office (out of twelve) since WWII says otherwise.

Unless of course you mean it like the USA is a socialist country ;-)

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France has always been left, Even when they were right.. They are a socialist nation and always will be.
Another reason I like them - and Tony H doesn't! :lol:

:-)

( one of many many many reasons )

4 socialist presidential terms of office (out of twelve) since WWII says otherwise.

Unless of course you mean it like the USA is a socialist country ;-)

that's probably more down to the French being too busy striking to go out and vote for the person they actually meant to

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at least they're engaged for better, for worse, here we're ridiculously apathetic. But our voting system is also quite silly though, just encourages a three cheeks of the same arse' mentality.

think the arrival of menechon could be quite fun - means there's a good 30% worth of extremism bracketing the centre ground.

We have no left wing here :(

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Labour under Blair were hardly left wing, and the lib dems... well you've seen what's happened to them. they were only ever leftish of centre anyway. I mean a proper raving commie esque left wing fringe. We need more of that, just to keep the votable centre-left lot from straying to the buggers on the rigght.

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Lol Labour and Lib dems are quite left wing.

You cannot be serious, the Labour Party is still recovering from its very recent Thatcherite past and the Lib Dems are still in bed with Cameron et al

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Labour under Blair were hardly left wing, and the lib dems... well you've seen what's happened to them. they were only ever leftish of centre anyway. I mean a proper raving commie esque left wing fringe. We need more of that, just to keep the votable centre-left lot from straying to the buggers on the rigght.

There's always Gorgeous George

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Labour under Blair were hardly left wing, and the lib dems... well you've seen what's happened to them. they were only ever leftish of centre anyway. I mean a proper raving commie esque left wing fringe. We need more of that, just to keep the votable centre-left lot from straying to the buggers on the rigght.

Labour became electable under Blair by moving towards the centre right in many policy areas. If you want Labour back in again with a majority then capturing the small 'c' conservative centre right vote is essential.

Trying to anchor Labour further to the left by encouring the lunatic fringe types won't do them any favours at all. Belatedly young Ed seems to be waking up this, as evidenced by his comments over recent days regarding the individual's responsibility to choose work over benefits where that option exists.

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One of this site's lefties posted some time back, that reducing their tax rate by 5% was hardly likely to galvanize the rich into extra effort... and I agree.

However, I resisted the temptation to reply that perhaps they should have cut it by half... that might make a difference today, just as it made a difference when Thatcher reduced the top rate from 83% to 40%.... when to the horror of the Labour party she actually started receiving more money at the lower rate.

I mention this because a friend of mine who sells property in Chelsea and Knightsbridge, says he has already received calls from 2 very rich Frenchmen wanting to buy property here so they can pay 45% in London rather than 75%

in Paris.

I wonder if the looney left, including the galactically stupid Hollande, will ever manage to understand how the world really works.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist quoting my own excellent post of a few days back.

But apropos of the above, I went to a rather snooty lunch yesterday for the benefit of Oxfordians, ie those believing Edward de Vere wrote the Plays. (After a life time's suffering for being in love with Aston Bloody Villa, I find I need some happier pursuits).

After lunch I talked to a a highly cultured and beautiful French woman, whose English was not only adequate for conversation, but also for Shakespeare... her knowledge of whom put mine firmly into the shade.

I asked if she'd come over specially for the lunch, to which she replied 'no' and that her husband had sent her to buy some property in London, following the election result in France.

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If you want to stop 'mass' immigration then you help improve the state of affairs in their home countries.

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Thats ridiculous to say thats the only option we have. 500 crimes a week are commited by immigrants (the ones that police catch) how about sending them home and sticking two fingers up to the EU.

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how many crimes committed by the indigenous people? Why don't we just ship them off to a random country as well - starting at the top from the bankers down to the violently disordered Brits, take the passports off them and send them out as well?

Why is it only immigrant crime that's a problem and not the indiginous?

Being a scumbag clearing in the woods is not linked to ethnicity.

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Also I know I may be a loony leftie but I have no sympathy for rich words removed who don't want to pay tax, they earn more than is sufficent anyway to lead a comfortable life, so they ought to give back more. If they want to **** off fine, there's 40 million other adults in the world who'll be ready to take their place.

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Also I know I may be a loony leftie but I have no sympathy for rich words removed who don't want to pay tax, they earn more than is sufficent anyway to lead a comfortable life, so they ought to give back more. If they want to **** off fine, there's 40 million other adults in the world who'll be ready to take their place.

Most admirable... put your money where your mouth is. Just like at Villa Talk, there's a Treasury site for those wishing to make donations.

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