MrBlack Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 20 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Scrap FFP. Do you want city and newcastle spending 800m each window? That would be final nail in coffin Read the second last paragraph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Scrap FFP. Do you want city and newcastle spending 800m each window? That would be final nail in coffin But that's still a better set up than what we currently have 1) Take the shackles off and let it be a free for all and hope that our owners dip their hands in their pockets or failing that one day in the future we will be bought by someone else who will, spend more than the likes of spurs, utd, Liverpool maybe arsenal 2) get commercial deals on par with utd and Liverpool 1 can happen, 2 cannot, 2 will never **** happen and they know it, its why FFP exists, we will never catch them or any of the top 6, leicester showed it doesn't work, you can win the league you can play CL you won't get a seat at the table through natural grow and development its impossible, scenario 1 is the only way villa are competitive at the very top Its akin to saying that you want to get to Ratcliffes wealth but you think the lottery should be banned, realistically you're never getting that rich regardless but the lottery is still the best chance you've got of getting closer Edited January 25, 2023 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LondonLax Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 Set a squad salary cap. That would be better. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Set a squad salary cap. That would be better. that would still greatly benefit the "big 6". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Just now, MaVilla said: that would still greatly benefit the "big 6". Well that would depend entirely on what the cap was set at wouldn’t it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Well that would depend entirely on what the cap was set at wouldn’t it? the cap being proposed was a % of turnover, which would greatly benefit the current big 6. I agree it should be a flat cap for all teams, but that would never happen, they "big teams" would never let it happen. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 The only way is adopt the us sporting model but they won't as. 1 - It's too far gone and if it did happen and the sky 6 fell down the league the premier league would be too worried the fans in Korea, America, middle east would stop following the league. 2 - Doesn't law over here prevent the league following that US parity model? 3 - Teams won't sign up to it as they lose Thier competitive advantage over the other leagues. All that will happen is the existing 6 will be supported by the authorities to remain in situ, and Newcastle will now become the 7th. The rest like villa are just seen as filler and cannon fodder for those teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Yeah a blanket salary cap of like £50 million a season would be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 The salary cap should be based on squad, the yank sports have it right, you can pay your QB however much you want but another position within the team is going to suffer because of it If they want to pay their star player £400k a week then have at it, that doesn't have a hugely negative impact on the rest of the league If they want to pay their 3rd choice left winger who plays 6 Cup games a year £150k a week that does have a huge impact, he shouldn't be there The hoarding of players and the endless loans is the problem, its the squad depth that causes ddisparity, Connor Gallagher should be sat thinking villa can offer him more money and more game time whereas instead Chelsea can pay him more to play less, its another broken system within football Instead UEFAs proposals just drive football further in to the dirt for anyone who doesn't play in their competition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Hank Scorpio said: 2 - Doesn't law over here prevent the league following that US parity model? My understanding of it is they're hiding behind the law but they're spinning it to do so The EU law (! Obviously...) is that you can't restrict an individuals salary potential, they can't say no player is allowed to earn more than £300k a week as a written rule for example (utds announcement will an internal mentality thing not a written policy) but a squad cap wouldn't restrict an individual so it would bypass that law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Just now, villa4europe said: My understanding of it is they're hiding behind the law but they're spinning it to do so The EU law (! Obviously...) is that you can't restrict an individuals salary potential, they can't say no player is allowed to earn more than £300k a week as a written rule for example (utds announcement will an internal mentality thing not a written policy) but a squad cap wouldn't restrict an individual so it would bypass that law So just more avoidance to help the existing 6 stay in power. The sooner they all **** off to the super league the better.. they will soon get bored when there is no jeopardy in relegation and only 1 team can win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 The us model won't work because we have relegation and promotion. And you have a free market where there are other countries that play the same game. You salary cap England, everyone's going to play in Spain/France/saudi Arabi. You can't do the "handicap the team that wins" because they could then get relegated. They're just not an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 19 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Surely that has to be a mistake? After all, I was rudely told 'I think you'll find there's something called employment law mate' On Here the other day as a reason why that could never happen, as if I was a single-celled amoeba incapable of sentient thought or something. Erm I wrote that message it wasn’t directed at you or any other poster. It was directed as a conversation point towards the fact they can’t enforce these things due to the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, MrBlack said: The us model won't work because we have relegation and promotion. And you have a free market where there are other countries that play the same game. You salary cap England, everyone's going to play in Spain/France/saudi Arabi. You can't do the "handicap the team that wins" because they could then get relegated. They're just not an option. The relegation and promotion shouldn't impact it, same as now you get relegated and you pay your players too much you're **** and have to sell them The jumping ship to other leagues I can see, Rugby had the same issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, villa4europe said: The salary cap should be based on squad, the yank sports have it right, you can pay your QB however much you want but another position within the team is going to suffer because of it If they want to pay their star player £400k a week then have at it, that doesn't have a hugely negative impact on the rest of the league If they want to pay their 3rd choice left winger who plays 6 Cup games a year £150k a week that does have a huge impact, he shouldn't be there The hoarding of players and the endless loans is the problem, its the squad depth that causes ddisparity, Connor Gallagher should be sat thinking villa can offer him more money and more game time whereas instead Chelsea can pay him more to play less, its another broken system within football Instead UEFAs proposals just drive football further in to the dirt for anyone who doesn't play in their competition This is exactly how a fair play system should work in Football, I have said this myself in the past. It levels the playing field so it comes down to the club being well run rather than who has the most money to spend hoarding the best players in their squad. It would give hope and a chance to all teams that with shrewd planning a team could rise up and challenge for titles and trophies. Which is why it won't happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 45 minutes ago, MrBlack said: The us model won't work because we have relegation and promotion. And you have a free market where there are other countries that play the same game. You salary cap England, everyone's going to play in Spain/France/saudi Arabi. You can't do the "handicap the team that wins" because they could then get relegated. They're just not an option. At this point even newly promoted teams can pay better wages than most other teams in Europe. The premier league could set a pretty high cap and the other leagues would not be able to compete with it but the prem teams would have a more level playing field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 minute ago, LondonLax said: At this point even newly promoted teams can pay better wages than most other teams in Europe. The premier league could set a pretty high cap and the other leagues would not be able to compete with it but the prem teams would have a more level playing field. Good point. Wonder what level that could be to help the rest of the league and hinder the likes of City/Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 25, 2023 Moderator Share Posted January 25, 2023 Caps and salaries and accounting rules are always open to being bent by a smart accountant or a crooked CEO - they're complicated legal instruments that half the world is pushing the edges of to hide, stretch and inflate money. We need something simpler - for example a system where a club can register 20 players over the age of 21 (including the ones they have out on loan) and a limited number of under 21's can be declared eligible to play. That would stop Chelsea having 30 senior professionals, plus another 25 senior professionals out on loan, plus another 30 of the best youth talent in the club or loaned out and it would be much simpler to monitor. I don't understand amortisation, phased contracting, complex accounting or any of that stuff, but I can count to 20 and I know the game would be better if the best six teams had what they think are the best 120 players between them, not the best 250 - it'd bring back into play proper values like blending a side, coaching it tactically and building a team of characters. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 2 hours ago, MrBlack said: The us model won't work because we have relegation and promotion. And you have a free market where there are other countries that play the same game. You salary cap England, everyone's going to play in Spain/France/saudi Arabi. You can't do the "handicap the team that wins" because they could then get relegated. They're just not an option. Re handicap the team that wins, we had a drunk convo in the pub and said what would happen if the champions to 4th started on -20, -15, -10 and -5 respectively. It would have made for some amazing seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 49 minutes ago, VillaJ100 said: Re handicap the team that wins, we had a drunk convo in the pub and said what would happen if the champions to 4th started on -20, -15, -10 and -5 respectively. It would have made for some amazing seasons Entertaining for sure. Would make for a different winner every season you'd think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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