villa89 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 funny thing is the Irish media is surprised, he was petty and bitter when he was here. Didnt he sue football 365 over a transfer rumour Yep. He is notoriously litigious and can't handle criticism at all. That's why the media in the UK were petrified of him and why he has such a good image as a "great manager". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Love it! classic high horse-ism from all all parties involved, and we're only just finished the first qualifying game. The high priests of Irish football may have lost their conductor, but having MON & Roy on one side and the 3 old gits on the other is going to bring endless amusement for the next 12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtysanchez Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Booked up for Scotland away last night, tickets gonna be a nightmare it seems, any villa lads on here going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Anyone reckon Eoin Doyle might get a callup for the next round of games? Scored 2 hattricks for Chesterfield over the last week. Yeah I know it's only league 1 but Kevin Doyle didn't exactly rip up that division last year and Irish strikers aren't the most prolific bunch now Keane is in semi retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtysanchez Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 No he won't and shouldn't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Probably see leon best back before eoin doyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 cox, stokes,walters,.....that sammon guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtysanchez Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Leon Best isn't a bad player, unlucky with injuries, problem for us is Martin will not drop Robbie the captain when it's clear to everyone he is just a passenger these days, would rather see him come off the bench for 20mins chasing a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Leon Best isn't a bad player, unlucky with injuries, problem for us is Martin will not drop Robbie the captain when it's clear to everyone he is just a passenger these days, would rather see him come off the bench for 20mins chasing a goal. Nah, he is a bad player. A very bad one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 With all the talk of Grealish potential and maybe playing for Ireland it got me thinking on top Irish players in the last 20 years. Cant think of many, Roy Keane, Paul Mcgath then below them Robbie Keane, Shay Given, Steve Staunton. Surely some Im missing. Only got a population of 4 million, but should they produce more top players than they do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Only got a population of 4 million, but should they produce more top players than they do? Don't think so, in fact I doubt we'll ever see the likes of what's gone again. the legacy of the glory years of the late 80's/90's/early naughties has been completely squandered. Woeful infrastructure within the FAI and the domestic game has played a part, but the real killer has been the decline of Irish players coming through the big English clubs in the globalised era. All we can we do now is pinch Norn Iron's talent and rely on first/second generation sons of immigrants to provide the talent to supplement whatever we do produce. Edited September 19, 2014 by Corcaigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Only got a population of 4 million, but should they produce more top players than they do? Don't think so, in fact I doubt we'll ever see the likes of what's gone again. the legacy of the glory years of the late 80's/90's/early naughties has been completely squandered. Woeful infrastructure within the FAI and the domestic game has played a part, but the real killer has been the decline of Irish players coming through the big English clubs in the globalised era. All we can we do now is pinch Norn Iron's talent and rely on first/second generation sons of immigrants to provide the talent to supplement whatever we do produce. Ah this is a very bleak look at things. There will always be Irish players brought over to play in England. There is some infrastructure there in this regard. Of course the problem with Irish coaching is the same in a lot of places. The parish mentality. Let's have our under 9s win the provincial tournament, by picking the tallest hairiest nine year olds in the town, while those with footballing talent get completely overlooked because they're too weak and short. I think the coach that wins an under age tournament should be ashamed of his lack of foresight and self aggrandisement. Down the local drinking out of an under age trophy as if he's accomplished something other than the perpetuation of a system that produces bad footballers. If the FAI want to encourage good players, there should be no such thing as tournaments under a certain age group. Teach them the skills and then when they're 15/16 let's see if a parish's 11 best players can use those skills to beat other another 11 players from another parish of a similar age. What is achieved by a 12 year old winning a trophy? Yeah the coaches won't like it because they won't get the chance to drink out of a cup, but **** them. Let their joy be in seeing one of their players get a trial with an English team or actually gaining an understanding of the game, rather than trying to compensate for their own failures as a player with a peewee league win. If they can't get joy from a player improving his skills without it being to the end of beating Ballinstubble under 9s, then he may as well be at home playing Football Manager for all the good he's doing for footballing talent in Ireland 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 With all the talk of Grealish potential and maybe playing for Ireland it got me thinking on top Irish players in the last 20 years. Cant think of many, Roy Keane, Paul Mcgath then below them Robbie Keane, Shay Given, Steve Staunton. Surely some Im missing. Only got a population of 4 million, but should they produce more top players than they do? Damien Duff Steve Finnan Seamus Coleman Richard Dunne not a top player but Steven Reid has been an underrated top flight player for a few years, for a period in late 90s Stephen Carr was one of best right backs in leagyue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Damien Duff was a top, top player IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Ian Harte was technically as good as any player of his era, if he had pace he would have been phenomenal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Only got a population of 4 million, but should they produce more top players than they do? Don't think so, in fact I doubt we'll ever see the likes of what's gone again. the legacy of the glory years of the late 80's/90's/early naughties has been completely squandered. Woeful infrastructure within the FAI and the domestic game has played a part, but the real killer has been the decline of Irish players coming through the big English clubs in the globalised era. All we can we do now is pinch Norn Iron's talent and rely on first/second generation sons of immigrants to provide the talent to supplement whatever we do produce. Ah this is a very bleak look at things. There will always be Irish players brought over to play in England. There is some infrastructure there in this regard. Of course the problem with Irish coaching is the same in a lot of places. The parish mentality. Let's have our under 9s win the provincial tournament, by picking the tallest hairiest nine year olds in the town, while those with footballing talent get completely overlooked because they're too weak and short. I think the coach that wins an under age tournament should be ashamed of his lack of foresight and self aggrandisement. Down the local drinking out of an under age trophy as if he's accomplished something other than the perpetuation of a system that produces bad footballers. If the FAI want to encourage good players, there should be no such thing as tournaments under a certain age group. Teach them the skills and then when they're 15/16 let's see if a parish's 11 best players can use those skills to beat other another 11 players from another parish of a similar age. What is achieved by a 12 year old winning a trophy? Yeah the coaches won't like it because they won't get the chance to drink out of a cup, but **** them. Let their joy be in seeing one of their players get a trial with an English team or actually gaining an understanding of the game, rather than trying to compensate for their own failures as a player with a peewee league win. If they can't get joy from a player improving his skills without it being to the end of beating Ballinstubble under 9s, then he may as well be at home playing Football Manager for all the good he's doing for footballing talent in Ireland Don't think I'm being overly negative. Sure we still have players coming through English teams, but these days they're coming through teams down the pecking order of English football. Look at the U21 squad, lads who play for 'big' English clubs but who are nowhere near the first team and aren't likely to ever be. For me, that well has run dry, that's why if you look at the most recent squad, our best players tend to have come from other countries, other Associations under-age set-ups & the mighty LOI. The FAI would do well to focus on the coaching and structures within the game, that's why they've got the Dutch lad involved, but we must have one of the only associations in Europe, if not the world, who don't have a proper pyramid structure in place for clubs going from the LOI down into the regional leagues. 'til that's sorted and junior clubs continue to farm the youth talent towards English clubs for peanuts, then we're always going to have a stunted domestic game, with lots of players returning from England to the scrap heap at 21/22. For things to change, it probably means we're going to have go on a Wales/Norn Iron style run of bleak results over years before things change for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 With all the talk of Grealish potential and maybe playing for Ireland it got me thinking on top Irish players in the last 20 years. Cant think of many, Roy Keane, Paul Mcgath then below them Robbie Keane, Shay Given, Steve Staunton. Surely some Im missing. Only got a population of 4 million, but should they produce more top players than they do? Damien Duff Steve Finnan Seamus Coleman Richard Dunne not a top player but Steven Reid has been an underrated top flight player for a few years, for a period in late 90s Stephen Carr was one of best right backs in leagyue forgot Denis Irwin the most underrated player of them all. Fergie's favourite United player 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packoman Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Brian Lenihan has been called up. Coleman and McCarthy will be a huge loss though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 No surprise to see Lenihan get the call-up, the boy Roy was a regular at Turner's Cross this year 'til he got the job at VP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packoman Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Could really do with a comfortable win today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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