gilbertoAVFC Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 The thing I keep coming back to is this: How out of touch with reality could those who appointed him be? Surely they must have thought, the ONLY way for this AM experiment to work is for him to get results in short order. They HAD to know that he would not be well-received, that he would be on a desperately short leash, and that, unless he got results quickly, the whole of the Villa fanbase would turn on him. Knowing that, they would have to ask: is this man capable (with the resources, or lack of resources given him) of doing that? His past record suggests not. Knowing that, they went ahead and paid off SHA, and gave him a THREE YEAR contract. I don't care what you think of AM, that is some SHOCKING decision making there. I am desperate to hear what the board are thinking now, and would die to hear their explanation of said decision making. You have the same thoughts as me but they're too much like commonsense for the board to understand, mate. Your duty, it seems, is to go and get behind the team no matter what decisions they make and the playing tactics that are used. Reminds me of "Into the Valley of Death rode the 600..." Both very good posts. I'm by no means suggesting that McLeish is doing a "reasonable" job, as has just been suggested, but the culprits for this mess are primarily those at the top for his appointment. I'm sure he's doing the best of his ability as manager (which to some extent, you can't really knock), but that isn't good enough, and the board should have known that - particularly given the fact he was probably the least popular manager that could have viably been appointed. You'd have to be an exceptional manager to have come in to the club under the circumstances McLeish did and pull off winning the fans over. The club isn't in a good state, and though Lerner should be praised for pumping money into the club originally, he must hear the criticism when he doesn't get it right, because the McLeish appointment was an utterly terrible decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Defeat tomorrow and there should be uproar and rightly so. It is time for this chancer to be removed, he is a liability. I would also expect action against whoever appointed this fool and gave him a three year contract. That is gross negligience and has cost the club already 100s of thousands of pounds. Any normal CEO would be sacked on the spot. Time to get tough Randy, Doug knew how to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Just seen his comments on Sky about having the owners backing. That is fundamentally sticking two fingers up at the fans. This idiot needs to be removed. This is turning into a pantomine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Defeat tomorrow and there should be uproar and rightly so. It is time for this chancer to be removed, he is a liability. I would also expect action against whoever appointed this fool and gave him a three year contract. That is gross negligience and has cost the club already 100s of thousands of pounds. Any normal CEO would be sacked on the spot. Time to get tough Randy, Doug knew how to! do you not think Randy has anything to do with the decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I can see him lashing out against the fans if we don't do well tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Defeat tomorrow and there should be uproar and rightly so. It is time for this chancer to be removed, he is a liability. I would also expect action against whoever appointed this fool and gave him a three year contract. That is gross negligience and has cost the club already 100s of thousands of pounds. Any normal CEO would be sacked on the spot. Time to get tough Randy, Doug knew how to! do you not think Randy has anything to do with the decision? Why have a dog and bark yourself? Faulkner is paid to be the CEO of the club, his job would I suggest to identify a pool of possible candidates, conduct initial interviews and make recommendations to the owner. But as I wasnt there, I couldnt confirm or deny Randy's involvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window09 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 There must be more to his appointment than we know. The main criteria was "proven premier league experience", even though he had been relegated 2 out of his 3 seasons in the premier league. Everyone knew this was going to happen - lots of draws, few goals, negative football (this is his proven premier league record) and he has still not been sacked - so there must be some further reasoning behind the board's logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Wonder if AM handed Randy a letter of resignation would our chairman try to talk him out of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Wonder if AM handed Randy a letter of resignation would our chairman try to talk him out of it?Seriously doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 500 pages.. the funny thing is 99% of the posts here are against McLeish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Number of pages before he's sacked? I'm going for 666. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyklip Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 The thing I keep coming back to is this: How out of touch with reality could those who appointed him be? Surely they must have thought, the ONLY way for this AM experiment to work is for him to get results in short order. They HAD to know that he would not be well-received, that he would be on a desperately short leash, and that, unless he got results quickly, the whole of the Villa fanbase would turn on him. Knowing that, they would have to ask: is this man capable (with the resources, or lack of resources given him) of doing that? His past record suggests not. Knowing that, they went ahead and paid off SHA, and gave him a THREE YEAR contract. I don't care what you think of AM, that is some SHOCKING decision making there. I am desperate to hear what the board are thinking now, and would die to hear their explanation of said decision making. You have the same thoughts as me but they're too much like commonsense for the board to understand, mate. Your duty, it seems, is to go and get behind the team no matter what decisions they make and the playing tactics that are used. Reminds me of "Into the Valley of Death rode the 600..." I get that about what my duty should be. However, perception is reality. If the fans think more of themselves, then that is it. No matter what our duty is. And if I were on that board I would be stating, "you all do realize, however you think it ought to be, that the fans will hate this. And unless he wins straight away, this is going to be a ****. Is there a different option that has a greater degree of success, something not so suicidally crazy??". (yes!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyklip Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 The thing I keep coming back to is this: How out of touch with reality could those who appointed him be? Surely they must have thought, the ONLY way for this AM experiment to work is for him to get results in short order. They HAD to know that he would not be well-received, that he would be on a desperately short leash, and that, unless he got results quickly, the whole of the Villa fanbase would turn on him. Knowing that, they would have to ask: is this man capable (with the resources, or lack of resources given him) of doing that? His past record suggests not. Knowing that, they went ahead and paid off SHA, and gave him a THREE YEAR contract. I don't care what you think of AM, that is some SHOCKING decision making there. I am desperate to hear what the board are thinking now, and would die to hear their explanation of said decision making. You have the same thoughts as me but they're too much like commonsense for the board to understand, mate. Your duty, it seems, is to go and get behind the team no matter what decisions they make and the playing tactics that are used. Reminds me of "Into the Valley of Death rode the 600..." Both very good posts. I'm by no means suggesting that McLeish is doing a "reasonable" job, as has just been suggested, but the culprits for this mess are primarily those at the top for his appointment. I'm sure he's doing the best of his ability as manager (which to some extent, you can't really knock), but that isn't good enough, and the board should have known that - particularly given the fact he was probably the least popular manager that could have viably been appointed. You'd have to be an exceptional manager to have come in to the club under the circumstances McLeish did and pull off winning the fans over. The club isn't in a good state, and though Lerner should be praised for pumping money into the club originally, he must hear the criticism when he doesn't get it right, because the McLeish appointment was an utterly terrible decision. That's just it, and clearly he wasn't. So why take the HUGE risk? That is incompetent decision making, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Wonder if AM handed Randy a letter of resignation would our chairman try to talk him out of it? Only if it was endorsed and countersigned by Sir Alex Ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I agree tyklip. Unless the board deliberately wanted to upset the fans, reduce attendances and have the team in a relegation battle (and I'm pretty sure they wanted none of those things) there is absolutely no explanation as to why they would want him. Good at working on a budget? Nope Good at motivating? Nope Good football? Nope Attacking football? Nope Good tactician? Nope Good at getting results? Nope Popular with the fans? Nope Cheap? Nope Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hycus-flange Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I agree tyklip. Unless the board deliberately wanted to upset the fans, reduce attendances and have the team in a relegation battle (and I'm pretty sure they wanted none of those things) there is absolutely no explanation as to why they would want him. Good at working on a budget? Nope Good at motivating? Nope Good football? Nope Attacking football? Nope Good tactician? Nope Good at getting results? Nope Popular with the fans? Nope Cheap? Nope Yes man? Yes Now makes sense. edited for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Dream Scenario in the minds of all Aston Villa fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Number of pages before he's sacked? I'm going for 666. I'm just worried there will be a 1 in front of that thus 1666 pages, as I'm deeply worried he will be here next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Number of pages before he's sacked? I'm going for 666. I'm just worried there will be a 1 in front of that thus 1666 pages, as I'm deeply worried he will be here next seasonYeah, same. I really don't like thinking about it. Stay up or go down we're absolutely **** if he's still here next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 "I've not got a magic wand and I don't think there are a lot of managers who could do a lot better than the job I am doing just now." **** off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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