snowychap Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Not that I'm an expert on Theresa May's wardrobe but I do believe that is one of her faves (I remember it being remarked upon in the media before). If you do a quick google search for images of Theresa May then you'll see her wearing that thing on a plethora of occasions. CAVE: If safe search is either off or on moderate then make sure you spell her name correctly as the results will be NSFW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 CAVE: If safe search is either off or on moderate then make sure you spell her name correctly as the results will be NSFW. I can see she wouldn't welcome being confused with her namesake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 CAVE: If safe search is either off or on moderate then make sure you spell her name correctly as the results will be NSFW. I can see she wouldn't welcome being confused with her namesake... Wouldn't? :? Surely it's a vast improvement!! :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I suppose combining the careers of politician and porn star has been done before, but I can't imagine Theresa May going for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Amazed that the Tory VT'ers especially TonyH :wink: have not commented on the joint UK / French initiative Link Cameron really did look ill at ease trying to sell this, but really it does make sense considering so many things and the inevitable further move towards Europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted November 2, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2010 Surprised Sarko isn't standing on a box in the video... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Theresa may reminds me of a cat for some reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Amazed that the Tory VT'ers especially TonyH :wink: have not commented on the joint UK / French initiative Link Cameron really did look ill at ease trying to sell this, but really it does make sense considering so many things and the inevitable further move towards Europe Certain aspects (particularly the nuclear collaboration) make perfect sense. However the main thrust of this is 'selling' a decline in defence capability to the public of both nations and dressing up weakening as strengthening. To borrow a phrase from Levi, it's pure Orwellian double-speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 2, 2010 Moderator Share Posted November 2, 2010 It'll have a lot of bad consequences. Not least of which will be the changing of attitude from the U.S. towards sharing technology with the UK - notwithstanding their current reluctance anyway) - they're not overly keen on the French, and this move will be detrimental for sure. It'll also have a bad effect on jobs in both countries and dilute further our "in-house" capabilities. People maybe also don't know that there was a move about 10 years ago undr labour to do similar (on a lesser scale, mostly "black"). The French were very keen, and a lot of time and money was spent, then the UK Gov't pulled the plug, mightily hacking the french off. This current move has been in the pipeline for a fair old while, as many requirements for future defence programmes are fairly similar between the two countries, and neither wants to pay the costs alone - for the development of UAVs etc. It could be sold as bringing about less of a dependence on the US for certain technology, and could be sold as a move to strengthen both country's industrial capabilities on high tech defence programmes, but I have my doubts as to the validity of any such claims in the long, medium or short terms, tbh. To me "Europe" looks a bit of a busted flush, with China and India and Brazil now the real areas of future growth and power in the world economy. I agree with Awol (again) re the orwellian double speak. It's money driven and short termist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 This current move has been in the pipeline for a fair old while,.... I think it was Blair that first put this forward some time back link but that idea, ironically quite forcefully shouted against by the Tory party of the time, didn't gain the momentum due to "other issues". As normal I like to read the "angered of Tunbridge Wells" comments in things like the Telegraph and Mail, and you can see that the UKIP team must be loving this past few days, with Cameron and his no budget increase - well OK then yes there is and now all of this. Personally I prefer the links to Europe to be strengthened and rather than the UK becoming isolationist or dependent on the US so much, we share a lot more with our near neighbours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I suppose combining the careers of politician and porn star has been done before, but I can't imagine Theresa May going for that. She is famous for delivering political speeches with one breast exposed Theresa, in the bizzare chance you are reading this, please god no!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Cameron really did look ill at ease trying to sell this, but really it does make sense considering so many things and the inevitable further move towards Europe Yes. I'm massively in favour of this. In fact, I'm pretty much in favour of any action or collaboration that moves towards a reduction in defence spending. Quite a left-wing move for me, this one, in many respects, and a pleasing one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 2, 2010 Moderator Share Posted November 2, 2010 It's money driven and short termist. Which is a line that applies to just about everything this government has done so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ads Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Yes. I'm massively in favour of this. In fact, I'm pretty much in favour of any action or collaboration that moves towards a reduction in defence spending. Quite a left-wing move for me, this one, in many respects, and a pleasing one. A governments first and most critical duty to its citizens is to protect them. What is your thinking behind your stance? I wonder if we’re going to see the Horizon base used as the C2/Type 27 variant after 2020 as a result of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Yes. I'm massively in favour of this. In fact, I'm pretty much in favour of any action or collaboration that moves towards a reduction in defence spending. Quite a left-wing move for me, this one, in many respects, and a pleasing one. A governments first and most critical duty to its citizens is to protect them. Hmm. That could be taken in many ways. certainly, massive cuts to the welfare budget, and to public sector jobs, is not "protecting its citizens", IMO. What is your thinking behind your stance? My thinking is that this is not 1500, or 1800, or even 1900. We're in 2010, and perhaps the biggest threat to "British citizens" would be from terrorism. We don't need a huge army, or massive amounts of nuclear warheads or submarines to counter that IMO. I think we're in a totally different new world order TBH. I can see the benefits of pooling our armed forces with those of a natural Ally like The Cheese Eating Surrendur Monkeys. I think the vast amounts spent on "defence" could be better spent elsewhere. Call that a left wing view of you will, but i'm broadly in favour of this move from Green Dave. I'm just quite shocked it's come from a Tory. Dissappointed that labour didn't come up with something like this TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted November 2, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2010 Call that a left wing view of you will, but i'm broadly in favour of this move from Green Dave. I'm just quite shocked it's come from a Tory. Dissappointed that labour didn't come up with something like this TBH. Nixon to China.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 A governments first and most critical duty to its citizens is to protect them. Militarily? According to whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 2, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2010 My thinking is that this is not 1500, or 1800, or even 1900. We're in 2010, and perhaps the biggest threat to "British citizens" would be from terrorism. We don't need a huge army, or massive amounts of nuclear warheads or submarines to counter that IMO. What about 2020? Or 2030? Etc etc. Only fools prepare their military in line with what is already happening. The world view can change far quicker than you can react to adapt to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Dissappointed that labour didn't come up with something like this TBH. They did Jon - as pointed out Blair started this whole thing going some time back, "events" overtook things and the relationship between france and the US caused a big problem with following it through. as said ironic that some of the more vocal opponents of that then are now its implementers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 2, 2010 Moderator Share Posted November 2, 2010 My thinking is that this is not 1500, or 1800, or even 1900. We're in 2010, and perhaps the biggest threat to "British citizens" would be from terrorism. We don't need a huge army, or massive amounts of nuclear warheads or submarines to counter that IMO. What about 2020? Or 2030? Etc etc. Only fools prepare their military in line with what is already happening. The world view can change far quicker than you can react to adapt to it. Quite true but playing devils advocate you could argue that this move is actually putting that view into action..... Who knows, I sure as hell don't I don't know enough on this topic. My gut feeling is this is about saving money and little else but it is possible that this move is about more than that although with my lack of trust in the motivation of the policies of this government I'm not so sure. One thing is for sure we can't depend on the French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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