peterms Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 come the revolution With Tony in charge of the firing squad... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 don't make me get MS Paint out again Peter ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Dad's Army.....or Mike Mooney and Drat and chums as the rest of us call them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 I see the racist party have followed up their British jobs for British workers slogans with an attack on Tesco for employing foreign workers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 12, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted August 12, 2013 They'd have a point with Tesco the Tory MP for Harlow was agreeing with them this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 12, 2013 Moderator Share Posted August 12, 2013 I see the racist party have followed up their British jobs for British workers slogans with an attack on Tesco for employing foreign workers Is this a new Tory truck campaign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 They'd have a point with Tesco the Tory MP for Harlow was agreeing with them this morning Bit of detail from C4 here. Slowly but surely a veil seems to be lifting from the legally watertight but ethically questionable way some of Britain’s biggest businesses recruit their staff. Tesco has strongly denied claims that it told workers they had to accept a pay cut to keep their jobs when being moved from one distribution centre, in Harlow, to a new site in Dagenham. Yet Channel 4 News has spoken exclusively to a whistleblower, a Tesco employee from inside the Harlow distribution centre, who said that was exactly what Tesco had told them. Simon Vincent isn’t a fly-by-night part-timer. He’s been working for the retail giant for 23 years and is also a union rep so he knows the precise terms Tesco laid on the table because he sat on the opposite side of it. The outcome was that Tesco, with a strike ballot looming, agreed to protect the Harlow workers’ previous terms and conditions for two years but thereafter staff would have to accept the same (lower) wage levels as other workers in the new Dagenham distribution centre. For Mr Vincent that equates to an £8,000 annual cut in pay as well as the additional daily costs of the round trip to Dagenham and back from his home. Those terms were too much for most of the workers to bear and as a result only about 70, he says, of the roughly 500 full time staff agreed to the new terms. The rest took redundancy. Foreign workers on low pay But what’s even more frustrating, he says, is that at the same time as letting go of hundreds of its staff in Harlow, Tesco has been employing hundreds more foreign agency workers on lower pay. Mr Vincent says that of the 800 staff at the old Harlow site, 25 per cent of them were in fact hired as casual workers through an agency called Staffline. And of those, he says, 98 percent were from Eastern European countries. Now, Mr Vincent says it’s not clear that Tesco is physically bringing all the workers in from the EU but he does say that many of them are being housed in cheap accommodation, the price of which is then deducted from their wages (meaning it’s unlikely they will be earning the minimum wage). He told Channel 4 News: “They’re coming over here for a limited amount of time to earn enough money to take home. In poor accommodation and on poor wages as well – but better than the wages in Eastern Europe.” He believes Tesco’s motivation for using foreign agency staff is purely financial. And he claims those are jobs that people in Harlow were and are desperate for. Ironically today, as Labour’s Shadow immigration minister Chris Bryant appears to be desperately back-peddling from the story, it’s been left to the local Tory MP to take up the case. Robert Halfon told me in no uncertain terms that he believes Tesco had unscrupulously forced hundreds of his constituents in Harlow into redundancy while handing their jobs to lower paid migrant workers. He says it’s a disgrace and Britain needs to stand up to big businesses that treat their workers like cattle. “[Tesco] has deeply damaged our community in Harlow,” he told Channel 4 News. “They’ve affected hundreds of people, they’ve affected their families, they’ve affected their friends and we’ve really suffered as a result of their actions.” Chris Bryant backtrack So many questions arise from all of this yet Tesco didn’t go anywhere near addressing half of them yesterday. Instead they said they had recruited 350 “local people” to work at its distribution centre in Dagenham and that the distribution centre was formerly in Essex, not Kent. And in fact it seems a denial is all it’s taken to scare Labour’s Chris Bryant away. He insisted on Monday that he had never intended to suggest the firms were “unscrupulous” while a passage claiming that staff at Tesco’s original distribution centre had been told “they could only move to the new centre if they took a cut in pay. The result? A large percentage of the staff at the new centre are from (the) Eastern bloc” was dropped altogether. But questions remain. Like why are wages lower in Dagenham, 30 miles down the road from Harlow and in the same county of Essex? Does Tesco deny employing Eastern European workers at its Harlow plant and does it intend to employ them at the same level in Dagenham? Why does it need agency staff in such numbers? And if it does, why are 98 percent of them foreign workers? The clothing retailer Next has also been accused of the same tactics. It said the company last year specifically brought in 500 Polish workers at its South Elmsall warehouse in West Yorkshire to help meet demand. And 300 were used this summer. Next, unlike Tesco, doesn’t deny any of this and says it needs the extra staff during its busy summer sale period. But it does leave you wondering why – with a million unemployed young British people – Next couldn’t hire from within the UK? Mr Bryant may want this story to go away but something tells me that having stirred the hornet’s nest, there’s little he can do to flick it all away today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Voters' confidence in George Osborne and David Cameron's ability to manage Britain's finances has risen sharply in a fresh blow to Labour. An ICM survey for the Guardian revealed the pair have opened up a massive lead over rivals Ed Miliband and Ed Balls when it comes to running the economy. It found 40% of voters had confidence in the Tory party on the central issue, a major leap from 28% back in June. The Labour leader and his shadow chancellor were well behind on 24% rest of article .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Voters' confidence in George Osborne and David Cameron's ability to manage Britain's finances has risen sharply in a fresh blow to Labour. An ICM survey for the Guardian revealed the pair have opened up a massive lead over rivals Ed Miliband and Ed Balls when it comes to running the economy. It found 40% of voters had confidence in the Tory party on the central issue, a major leap from 28% back in June. The Labour leader and his shadow chancellor were well behind on 24% rest of article .... To be fair that is probably in the context of them or Balls and Miliband. Given a more competent and credible alternative I doubt a higher % of people would prefer Osborne and Cameron in charge of the economy, but that isn't the case, so apparently they do. Really does show how awful people perceive Labour's current leadership to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 that's probably true though if VT ( or at least this thread ) was an indication of the UK then Ed and Ed are wonderful and the answer to all our problems you have to feel for Ed though , even when he isn't doing anything he can't do anything right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Latest poll on voting intentions I saw, just a couple of days ago, gave Labour an 80+ seat majority. We'll just have to wait and see, won't we? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 13, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted August 13, 2013 that's probably true though if VT ( or at least this thread ) was an indication of the UK then Ed and Ed are wonderful and the answer to all our problems you have to feel for Ed though , even when he isn't doing anything he can't do anything right I don't even think that is remotely true for one minute. Do not like the Tories does not equate to supporting Labour. There are at best about 4 regular posters in this topic that are avowed Labour supporters and almost as many Tories I reckon. The rest of us don't really like either of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 that's probably true though if VT ( or at least this thread ) was an indication of the UK then Ed and Ed are wonderful and the answer to all our problems you have to feel for Ed though , even when he isn't doing anything he can't do anything right I don't even think that is remotely true for one minute. Do not like the Tories does not equate to supporting Labour. There are at best about 4 regular posters in this topic that are avowed Labour supporters and almost as many Tories I reckon. The rest of us don't really like either of them aye, I'd agree, I think Tony always confuses anti Tory with pro Labour. I just can't decide if he's genuinely confused by the concept, or he's lazy, or he's on some bizarre wind up. I'm going to retaliate and presume anyone that is right wing is BNP but ashamed to say it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 What a bunch of rocket polishers we have to choose from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 What a bunch of rocket polishers we have to choose from. In years gone by you used to hear that a vote that wasn't for red, blue or yellow was a 'wasted vote'. IMHO that's pretty much been turned on its head. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 vote Plaid it's the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 What a bunch of rocket polishers we have to choose from. In years gone by you used to hear that a vote that wasn't for red, blue or yellow was a 'wasted vote'. IMHO that's pretty much been turned on its head. Totally agree, your voting for much of a muchness, your just voting which lobby group, or corporate influence you want to determine the governments policies.Party politics gives offers choice but delivers no choice of real substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 that's probably true though if VT ( or at least this thread ) was an indication of the UK then Ed and Ed are wonderful and the answer to all our problems you have to feel for Ed though , even when he isn't doing anything he can't do anything right I don't even think that is remotely true for one minute. Do not like the Tories does not equate to supporting Labour. There are at best about 4 regular posters in this topic that are avowed Labour supporters and almost as many Tories I reckon. The rest of us don't really like either of them there may only be 4 posters but they make a lot of noise and that was the basis on which I was judging it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 vote Plaid it's the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 vote Plaid it's the future I didn't know they were running. as party political broadcasts go, that was strangely absorbing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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