LancsVillan Posted January 5, 2006 Moderator Share Posted January 5, 2006 espically the portsmouth part Portsmouth aren't a PLC & it's not a takeover, it's more like a cash injection that might eventually become a takeover in the future. Jon didn't say it was a takeover, he stated a major investment and has been mis-quoted. I know he knows the difference as we discussed it on Tuesday when I posted about it on about page 10 of this thread too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent_Bob Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Silent_Bob - that's a sobbering thought, as if January wasn't a sober enough time as it is! I have a nagging thought at the back of my mind that you could be right... i could take new owners who don't 'splash' the cash (as Chelsea), as long as they want to take villa on and upwards and invest more than the current regime. I want new owners who are in it for the long term and for Villa's best interests. I hope they prove to be just that If it was so that the Comers were interested because they did see Aston Villa FC as a club with potential to become successfull and that what was they were after, the deal would have been dony by now, imo. Instead they spend months examining the books of Aston Villa PLC to see what kind of profits they could make. I want change if it is for the better. Not change for change itself. And I'm starting to question if the Comers are the right people after all. What do we really know about them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 bob. ive read in various qoutes that the comers were originally intrested in the land villa own, doug valued it at £20million, but the comers then found out it was in a shit area of brum and couldnt really develop it. i still want the takeover to go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCresswell Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 If it was so that the Comers were interested because they did see Aston Villa FC as a club with potential to become successfull and that what was they were after, the deal would have been dony by now, imo. So, three seperate bids that have been made have all failed (or looked like failing) due to lack of progress - whether it be refusual of the company to be allowed to look at the books, or anything else. If I want to buy a car, and the salesman keeps evading my questions and putting off things to complete the deal, how exactely does that make me the bad guy? It doesn't, and neither does it the Comers. I'd be suprised if this land stuff doesn't turn out to be rubbish - Doug lied about the cost of the land significantly - as most people could have predicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 My impression is that Doug has this perfect deal in his head and untill all his boxes are ticked then it aint gonna happen in a million years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bully Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Is it true that both Comer brothers have flatly refused to play Doug at tennis for the right to prove that they are the men to take the company forward? :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 The Comers set up AVIL to carry out this takeover. Is it true that Ellis has responded by setting up his own company to thwart this called EVIL , Ellis Villa Interference Limited ? EDITED for inacurracies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahamaad Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Ellis, Villa and Investments are three words that just aren't compatible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 I'd heard that the Comers have actually pulled out because they thought they were buying Leeds and Ellis said, "At least we aren't Leeds". Or is it because Ellis wouldn't sell them the patent and copywirght to his bicycle kick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent_Bob Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Ellis, Villa and Investments are three words that just aren't compatible. Ellis managed to get an investment company to pay money to have their logo on our shirts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent_Bob Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 bob. ive read in various qoutes that the comers were originally intrested in the land villa own, doug valued it at £20million, but the comers then found out it was in a shit area of brum and couldnt really develop it. i still want the takeover to go through. It still has a a value, even if it's less than £20m I want the takeover to go through as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 5, 2006 Moderator Share Posted January 5, 2006 Ellis, Villa and Investments are three words that just aren't compatible. Ellis managed to get an investment company to pay money to have their logo on our shirts Or Bruce Langham did. Anyone remember him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 I understand that the only thing now standing in the way of the deal being finalised is to persuade the Queen to abdicate in favour of Doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 5, 2006 Moderator Share Posted January 5, 2006 Will someone wake me up when it either happens or its off, until then I'll just be dozing in the corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LancsVillan Posted January 5, 2006 Moderator Share Posted January 5, 2006 Will someone wake me up when it either happens or its off, until then I'll just be dozing in the corner no doubt with the meter running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 5, 2006 Moderator Share Posted January 5, 2006 Will someone wake me up when it either happens or its off, until then I'll just be dozing in the corner no doubt with the meter running Well if £lies is going to pay then er yes please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahamaad Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 This is like the club is in a fecking coma. I can't stand another year of Ellis. I had it on good grounds that everyone has tried to get him to sell up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 5, 2006 Moderator Share Posted January 5, 2006 ...If I want to buy a car, and the salesman keeps evading my questions and putting off things to complete the deal, how exactely does that make me the bad guy? It doesn't, and neither does it the Comers. I'd be suprised if this land stuff doesn't turn out to be rubbish - Doug lied about the cost of the land significantly - as most people could have predicted. All that is very true. Equally, though, to follow the Car sales analogy, how mnay punters go into a showroom "expressing an interest" and how many actually buy a car - it isn't all down to the salesman each time. I'm not in the habit of defending Ellis, normally, and I'm not going to start here. But WE DON"T KNOW what is or isn't going on. All of our posts are pure supposition. I've said all along that I'm sceptical, that the alleged price is too high and I'd be surprised if a deal happens on the terms reported. Again, just guessing, if say, an approach is made talking about 5.80 a share, (which IMO is too high) and then it turns out after closer examination that the original 5.80 suggestion is too high, then none of that is Ellis' fault. There's a huge bundle of evidence with which to condemn Ellis, and JC did a grand article on the front page putting a lot of it forward, but I'm unsure that w know yet enough about this alleged takeover thing to blame Ellis on anything more than instinct (though that may well turn out to be a good call) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tricella Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 If the stock market hasnt closed dealing with Aston Villa shares down then there´s no buy out close... I even suggest that they´ve got announcement from the parties that any take over talk is way of mark. The stock market must have information from a company that has shares in the market that is telling the situation. Otherwise Aston Villa can be shut down from the stock market... As long as there is no reaction from either the stock market, Aston Villa FC and The Comer Group...I would really say that this is not going to happen. It is a strange situation whereas the take over talks has been dragging on too long if there was any substantial interest from The Comer Group. I dont think that they´ve put in a bid for Ellis to consider yet...and the reason why lies only with The Comer Group. However...I do have my own theory that The Comer Group is really not too impressed with Villas financial state....or books. I think that Villa has been handled like shit when it comes to business and therefore Villa doesnt held as high value as Mr Ellis want them to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahamaad Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 I think that Villa has been handled like shit when it comes to business and therefore Villa doesnt held as high value as Mr Ellis want them to. I agree. Treat a product like shit for 23 years and then expect people to fork out millions for it. Ellis is a senile clearing in the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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