El Zen Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 You're welcome, trimmy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 I said far right basically because I play there in football and don't really know anything about politics, although judging by 2 votes, I'm guessing it's not a good thing Depends if you think the BNP have some good ideas or not God no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Then you may have gone for the wrong poll option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wol. Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -1.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.59 I'd of gone for that before the quiz, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted September 30, 2009 VT Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2009 left/right: 6.62 libertarian/authoritarian: -4.26 (I did on a few questions opt for a more extreme answer than I actually believe... quizzes like this are not, by and large, the place for nuanced thought) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted September 30, 2009 VT Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2009 I think I just read the poll options and typed automatically. I'll be typing aluuuuminum and errrbs next.I find it quite interesting that some continental Europeans speak and write American English, and some speak and write British English. American is the dominant flavour on the Internet (and in terms of people for whom English is the language used at home, it may well be the most common dialect). I suspect that those who learned English before the Internet tend to speak/write British (since the vast majority of printed matter in English accessible on the Continent is British). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted September 30, 2009 VT Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2009 Apparantly, we are all fully rational actors with complete knowledge of everything that goes on within the market we operate in. No neo-liberal would argue that anyone could know everything within the marketplace (defined more or less as who needs/wants what and who has what). Indeed, the very thing that Hayek argued was that it was impossible for anyone to know everything. The only way that control of the market can deliver as good an outcome as the free market is if someone knows everything within the marketplace (that is the only way that state action can obtain everybody's ability and provide everybody's needs (and since, as the great philosopher Jimmy Buffett noted, " ", we can add some of their wants). The market, in the neo-liberal conception, is comprised of people who know, for all intents and purposes, very little beyond their own needs/wants and what they have. By placing values on those things (tangible and intangible) and interacting with others (who have placed their values on those and myriad other things) they create prices and thus relay information about who needs what and who has what. For example, you place a value on your working time at x pounds per hour. A potential employer places a value on your labor at y pounds per hour. One party (often the potential employer, though not necessarily so) makes an offer and the other party decides, depending on whether their value indicates that the offer is over- or under-priced, whether to accept the offer or not (and if not, then might make a counter-offer or the offering party might revise the offer... or not, both parties might effectively agree to disagree and go on with things). Repeat this scene billions of times per day and prices set by actors voluntarily allow the very slight knowledge of each participant to course through the marketplace. One need only look at Wikipedia, which in a few short years has become the greatest repository of knowledge in history, to see how allowing individuals with individually relatively little (arbitrarily close to zero) knowledge to exchange and weigh tidbits allows for a body of knowledge greater than what could be known by any person or council of people. It never fails to amaze me that most of the left-wingers on here (and in the broader world, I might add) would find preposterous the idea that a complex system (life) requires an extremely (perhaps even omni-) scient force to order it in order to work pretty well but generally accept that in order for a complex system (the marketplace) to work pretty well, an extremely scient force to order it is required. Likewise, many of the conservative forces in society would accept to some extent that the marketplace does not need a scient force to order it but put forth complete and total bullshit that is Intelligent Design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 id be right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 left/right: -3.14 libertarian/authoritarian: 0.41 As one of VT's 'tories' (others' words, not mine) I am quite :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted September 30, 2009 VT Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2009 That red star in your avatar is fitting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Centre left. You see, i'd have gone for that too Ash, but it's not an option. EDIT: done that gag to death. Have put a tick in the centre left box too. That hasn't changed for 20 years, although if anything i'm getting further left the older i get, which is not meant to happen, is it? It's meant to be the other way around, AFAIK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Centre left. You see, i'd have gone for that too Ash, but it's not an option. EDIT: done that gag to death. Have put a tick in the centre left box too. That hasn't changed for 20 years, although if anything i'm getting further left the older i get, which is not meant to happen, is it? It's meant to be the other way around, AFAIK? Well Mr Churchill said: If you aren't a liberal aged 20, you haven't got a heart, if you aren't a conservative aged 40, you haven't got a head. It's fair to say he's a little biased though :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johneeboy Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -4.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.44 Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 One need only look at Wikipedia, which in a few short years has become the greatest repository of knowledge in history, to see how allowing individuals with individually relatively little (arbitrarily close to zero) knowledge to exchange and weigh tidbits allows for a body of knowledge greater than what could be known by any person or council of people. And yet Wikipedia is a knowledge repository that, as it has grown, has more and more required the intervention of 'scient' individuals to stop abuses (that is not just intentional abuse but also factually incorrect information being put in). Unfortunately abuse still occurs and it is when it is relied upon to definitely produce the goods that it really falls down because in order to be sure that the information is correct, one really needs to check the references supplied. The only way that control of the market can deliver as good an outcome as the free market is if someone knows everything within the marketplace... Hold on, surely the only way that a free market can deliver its best is if everyone has perfect knowledge? If neo-liberals accept that this is an impossibility and yet still argue for a system which, in theory, requires this then they are necessarily arguing for a flawed system; one that, by its nature, does not have the the needs and wants of all as its goal. I can see why they argue for it: it's out of an understandable human trait that concentrates on fulfilling their own needs and desires. To claim that it is the best tool to solve all economic (and associated) problems is misleading salesmanship. Also, to argue that external intervention skews an already skewed marketplace (and, by implication, is always a bad thing) strikes me as rather perverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 30, 2009 Moderator Share Posted September 30, 2009 Economic Left/Right: -3.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Economic Left/Right: -1.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.54 Interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Economic Left/Right: -4.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.56 Surprised myself with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Economic Left/Right: 8.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.69 :shock: Wouldn't that have you sat alongside Augusto Pinochet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 whats the comparision point to the scale? what would you call the current Labour Party? Centre? Centre-Left Left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 New Labour? Centre right at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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