A'Villan Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, fruitvilla said: "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." Shall we have a battle of catchy phrases or a discussion? Well said. However, I kicked the ball your way and asked you to pass it back to me in a way I can receive this time. I'm not going to chase passes I don't have the ability to run onto. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 4, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Michelsen said: They’re a little Nietzsche for my taste. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted February 4, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Michelsen said: They’re a little Nietzsche for my taste. We better stop before they Locke this thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 4, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 4, 2021 I'll see if I can Russell one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, A'Villan said: We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies. OK I will have another go. There are groups of people who still live in this world who subscribe to some form of nationalism. Seventy odd million people voted for Trump on a "patriotic" ticket. Brexit was fueled on nationalism. As are all the far right ideologies. So your statement we no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies is false. I am not arguing commerce and its vehicles are not important. Just that your initial opening sentence was over the top. And regarding commerce, when we have trans national corporations they will try to dissuade war with that nation. There has been the observation we tend not to go to war with nations that we trade with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, mjmooney said: I'll see if I can Russell one up. I Dennett think you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted February 4, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 4, 2021 I’m attempting to make a philosophical pun involving Zeno but I keep getting only halfway there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, A'Villan said: We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business. Capitalism and democracy are not synonymous, just as a monarchy and democracy are not synonymous. It's the rich, telling the middle class, to blame the poor. Tradition. Someone's watched Network lately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: I’m attempting to make a philosophical pun involving Zeno but I keep getting only halfway there. Are you livin' on a prayer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 minute ago, GarethRDR said: Someone's watched Network lately. Never. The excerpt is intro to Immortal Technique's "Rich Man's World". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Oooh, I didn't know that! You learn something new everyday. I can heartily recommend it, mind. It's always the "mad as hell" part that gets quoted but the rant with yer bit in it is the best bit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, fruitvilla said: OK I will have another go. There are groups of people who still live in this world who subscribe to some form of nationalism. Seventy odd million people voted for Trump on a "patriotic" ticket. Brexit was fueled on nationalism. As are all the far right ideologies. So your statement we no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies is false. I am not arguing commerce and its vehicles are not important. Just that your initial opening sentence was over the top. And regarding commerce, when we have trans national corporations they will try to dissuade war with that nation. There has been the observation we tend not to go to war with nations that we trade with. And what are the foundations and ethos, the culture, of the country that these patriots belong to and hold so dear? I'm insinuating in my initial statement, and following statements, that there is a misleading pretence and facade about the way we go about living in this world we call home, if you subscribe to the narrative offered by the more influential governments of today. I'm sorry but I think Halliburton was pretty down with the invasion in the Middle East, and I'm sure a few weapons dealers were reasonably pleased with the contracts too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 2 hours ago, fruitvilla said: Well I was thinking of the duality Mings being brilliant and sh!te at the same time. Is that only when he goes unobserved though? Schrödinger's subs bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 Just now, GarethRDR said: Is that only when he goes unobserved though? Schrödinger's subs bench. There is some debate on what counts as observation, but I take your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, A'Villan said: And what are the foundations and ethos, the culture, of the country that these patriots belong to and hold so dear? I'm insinuating in my initial statement, and following statements, that there is a misleading pretence and facade about the way we go about living in this world we call home, if you subscribe to the narrative offered by the more influential governments of today. I'm sorry but I think Halliburton was pretty down with the invasion in the Middle East, and I'm sure a few weapons dealers were reasonably pleased with the contracts too. OK you seem to be saying corporations have an agenda. Yeah. The company I used to work for has a policy not to do exploration in unstable countries. And? Whether I subscribe to government policy or foreign bots is a little bit of mystery. But end of the day ideologies and nations still exist and no matter how you twist and turn you are still putting forward some ideology no matter how clumsily you seem to be expressing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 DHUTWU. <endthread> 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted February 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2021 Lots of people have forgotten the FA twinning campaign from a few years ago when every team was paired up with a philosopher. Man Utd have won the league 20 times, they win Aristotle Liverpool have won the Champions League, they win Plato Aston Villa have won the European Super Cup, they win Socrates Birmingham City, they have won Foucault 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AJ Posted February 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2021 Football over philosophy any day. I would always put Hause before Descartes. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 4, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 4, 2021 17 minutes ago, AJ said: Football over philosophy any day. I would always put Hause before Descartes. Nicely done, sir. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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