peterw Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 If only it was that easy. its nigh on impossible to engage with the actors on the ground and in the area without a series of 'whataboutery' and one side not taking responsibility but blaming the other for any of their own actions. This then spreads to the wider diaspora and whether even by 'neutral' you take a state-centric stance that a state under attack has the right to defend itself. This is all taking sides (without wanting either side to necessarily win, or demonising the side). Its virtually impossible to look at what s going on through the lens of total impartiality and offering balanced commentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Palestinians are not bad. It is not they who came from overseas to occupy another people. They did not choose to be occupied for 78 years and counting. They did not choose to ethnically cleanse themselves. Being silent is choosing side with the oppressor. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, peterw said: If only it was that easy. its nigh on impossible to engage with the actors on the ground and in the area without a series of 'whataboutery' and one side not taking responsibility but blaming the other for any of their own actions. This then spreads to the wider diaspora and whether even by 'neutral' you take a state-centric stance that a state under attack has the right to defend itself. This is all taking sides (without wanting either side to necessarily win, or demonising the side). Its virtually impossible to look at what s going on through the lens of total impartiality and offering balanced commentary. Unless you're just an out and out racist who hates Muslims and Jews equally - they would have a balanced view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Awol Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Biden states the explosion at Al Ahly hospital was caused by Palestinian militants, not Israel. May the victims RIP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Pongo Waring said: Both are bad. Can't support any of them. Israel don’t even come close to the Hamas Barbarians. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 25 minutes ago, momo said: The impact was in the car park, where’s the crater that an Israeli air strike would leave. Pretty conclusive that this was a Hamas missile that broke up and impacted the hospital below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, meregreen said: Israel don’t even come close to the Hamas Barbarians. Better equipped and more politically savvy. But just as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Just now, chrisp65 said: Better equipped and more politically savvy. But just as bad. Nope. They don’t tie children down and burn them alive. They live their lives surrounded by people who’s actual stated aim is to kill them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, meregreen said: Nope. They don’t tie children down and burn them alive. They live their lives surrounded by people who’s actual stated aim is to kill them all. Try googling Mohammed Abu Khdeir Edited October 18, 2023 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, sne said: Try googling Mohammed Abu Khdeir That’s one instance of a group of Israeli settlers committing a terrible murder. It’s not the Israeli state sanctioning such acts. Hamas are the elected authority in Gaza, and they actually promoted and enabled the murder of 1400 innocents by a bunch of murderous terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, meregreen said: Nope. They don’t tie children down and burn them alive. They live their lives surrounded by people who’s actual stated aim is to kill them all. No israeli child was tied down and murdered. Stop these lies. No israeli woman was raped. Stop these lies. As a matter of fact, just last week a Palestinian child was hunted and burned down by jewish settlers. Where were your tears then? Did you know that israeli soldiers rape Palestinian women at checkpoints? Where are your tears? Do you know israeli soldiers rape Palestinian men? Do you know that israel raids Palestinian homes at night at arrest children down do 8 years old and imprison them for months after months? Do you care? No, you don't. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 55 minutes ago, momo said: From what it looks like, did they have triage set up in the car lot? The damage doesnt really indicate that there would be 500 people in the lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, meregreen said: That’s one instance of a group of Israeli settlers committing a terrible murder. It’s not the Israeli state sanctioning such acts. Hamas are the elected authority in Gaza, and they actually promoted and enabled the murder of 1400 innocents by a bunch of murderous terrorists. There are countless examples of settlers doing similar stuff. Israel have been killing thousands and thousands of civilians for decades. Fancy weapons doesnt make it less of a crime. No one on here is excusing what Hamas did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 29 minutes ago, meregreen said: The impact was in the car park, where’s the crater that an Israeli air strike would leave. Pretty conclusive that this was a Hamas missile that broke up and impacted the hospital below. So you mean, a shrapnel from a rocket that normally has the power to destroy a windshield of a car, has made 1000 Palestinians fleeing the israeli attrocities die? I know you don't believe it yourself that a small rocket can have this effect. It was an israeli rocket. Your confirmation bias makes you blind. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, momo said: No israeli child was tied down and murdered. Stop these lies. No israeli woman was raped. Stop these lies. As a matter of fact, just last week a Palestinian child was hunted and burned down by jewish settlers. Where were your tears then? Did you know that israeli soldiers rape Palestinian women at checkpoints? Where are your tears? Do you know israeli soldiers rape Palestinian men? Do you know that israel raids Palestinian homes at night at arrest children down do 8 years old and imprison them for months after months? Do you care? No, you don't. I care for the truth. Not much sign of that in your slanted posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, meregreen said: Nope. They don’t tie children down and burn them alive. They live their lives surrounded by people who’s actual stated aim is to kill them all. No murders or rapes took place, the videos were all faked by Mossad who released them through hacked Hamas media channels. Also, 500 people were killed by an Israeli airstrike on a hospital because Hamas said so. See how this works? Arab leaders continuing to state this was an Israeli airstrike, without offering a shred of evidence. The narrative is set, no amount of evidence will move it, and the fabrication will pass into regional memory as fact. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, sne said: There are countless examples of settlers doing similar stuff. Israel have been killing thousands and thousands of civilians for decades. Fancy weapons doesnt make it less of a crime. No one on here is excusing what Hamas did. And I would never excuse anything that a bunch of Israeli settlers do that hurts innocents. But there is only one side that has the actual stated aim to drive the other side into the sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Just now, meregreen said: And I would never excuse anything that a bunch of Israeli settlers do that hurts innocents. But there is only one side that has the actual stated aim to drive the other side into the sea. Well there is one side who is actually doing it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Just now, sne said: Well there is one side who is actually doing it. No they’re not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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