Davkaus Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 It's not just var, it's the gradual adjustment of the rules over time. They've tweaked and fiddled over decades, losing the perspective of what the laws were intended to do. Handball and offside are just completely ludicrous these days. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 And the hand ball rule is what exactly? Apart from whatever it needs to be in any given situation. McTomminay playing hot potato in the penalty box is OK because they are Manure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, sne said: And the hand ball rule is what exactly? Apart from whatever it needs to be in any given situation. McTomminay playing hot potato in the penalty box is OK because they are Manure? Unnatural position. Unlike McTominay, Digne’s arm was in an unnatural position as when you’re not a player for a sky 6 side you don’t deserve to be on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Corruption 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa4europe Posted August 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2022 I don't care what anyone says... 100% man utd get that penalty at Old Trafford Its beyond a joke 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Clearer version here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Peter Walton in full agreement with the referees - did anyone catch if he commented on Digne? Would love to compare and contrast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post danceoftheshamen Posted August 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Corruption So are we still saying it's not corrupt ? I will be fascinated to hear the BS reasons that was not a penalty yet Digne's was. Cannot even hide behind the usual "Homer" ref excuse as Utd were away. I await the weekly massive broom being deployed to sweep this one under the carpet. Jokers. Every week there is evidence and yet most folk still seem to be reluctant to believe it's actual corruption you are witnessing rather than the ridiculous "it was a mistake" or whatever nonsense they make up. So this apparently was "ball to hand" even though he was planted on the floor and his arms were clearly spread sideways at shoulder height in an unatural position in an attempt to make himself a bigger obstacle to get the ball past. Yeah OK then! Yet last week Digne jumps and of course has to have his arms similarly high to get leverage and it's deliberate hand ball?! How can folk not see this is clear corruption? Even if the ref made a mistake there is no longer any reason to not get it right with VAR as a back up. Please don't tell me they repeatedly get it wrong by mistake or accident "but only in favour of certain teams". That is nonsense & clearly it is corrupt. Edited August 27, 2022 by danceoftheshamen 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 16 minutes ago, danceoftheshamen said: So are we still saying it's not corrupt ? I will be fascinated to hear the BS reasons that was not a penalty yet Digne's was. Cannot even hide behind the usual "Homer" ref excuse as Utd were away. I await the weekly massive broom being deployed to sweep this one under the carpet. Jokers. Every week there is evidence and yet most folk still seem to be reluctant to believe it's actual corruption you are witnessing rather than the ridiculous "it was a mistake" or whatever nonsense they make up. So this apparently was "ball to hand" even though he was planted on the floor and his arms were clearly spread sideways at shoulder height in an unatural position in an attempt to make himself a bigger obstacle to get the ball past. Yeah OK then! Yet last week Digne jumps and of course has to have his arms similarly high to get leverage and it's deliberate hand ball?! How can folk not see this is clear corruption? Even if the ref made a mistake there is no longer any reason to not get it right with VAR as a back up. Please don't tell me they repeatedly get it wrong by mistake or accident "but only in favour of certain teams". That is nonsense & clearly it is corrupt. Digne blocked a shot on goal with his arm. I think it was a harsh penalty because he was just jumping for the ball but you can understand why stopping a shot with your arms is considered a penalty. No chance that Man U one was a penalty though, the ball bumping a players arm in an inconsequential way is never a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 47 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Corruption That looks suspiciously like handball. Are they trialling a new rule today where blatant handball isn't given anymore. I'm not even gonna mention the unnatural position of the arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 I didnt watch the game but did VAR ask the ref to look at it again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Digne blocked a shot on goal with his arm. I think it was a harsh penalty because he was just jumping for the ball but you can understand why stopping a shot with your arms is considered a penalty. No chance that Man U one was a penalty though, the ball bumping a players arm in an inconsequential way is never a penalty. I'm afraid it will be at the 45 other league games this weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Talldarkandransome said: I'm afraid it will be at the 45 other league games this weekend Na. That’s just conspiracy theory rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Just now, LondonLax said: Na. That’s just conspiracy theory rubbish. Why? Because you don't agree with it. Each to their own but it's not a conspiracy theory just because you don't agree with it. VAR has been corrupt from day one and as Rafa would say... thats a fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 44 minutes ago, a m ole said: Peter Walton in full agreement with the referees - did anyone catch if he commented on Digne? Would love to compare and contrast Peter Walton has never gone against a refs decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 18 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Digne blocked a shot on goal with his arm. I think it was a harsh penalty because he was just jumping for the ball but you can understand why stopping a shot with your arms is considered a penalty. No chance that Man U one was a penalty though, the ball bumping a players arm in an inconsequential way is never a penalty. But the rule doesn't comment on how the ball gets there it comments on the position of the arm - and if that's the case they're both the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Just now, villa4europe said: But the rule doesn't comment on how the ball gets there it comments on the position of the arm - and if that's the case they're both the same I agree, I think they both should not have been hand ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 2 hours ago, LondonLax said: Digne blocked a shot on goal with his arm. I think it was a harsh penalty because he was just jumping for the ball but you can understand why stopping a shot with your arms is considered a penalty, although it wouldn't be if it was one of the scummy 6 clubs of course. No chance that Man U one was a penalty though, the ball bumping a players arm in an inconsequential way is never a penalty unless you happen to be playing one of the scummy 6 clubs. Corrected for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 28, 2022 Author VT Supporter Share Posted August 28, 2022 On 27/08/2022 at 15:27, Talldarkandransome said: Why? Because you don't agree with it. Each to their own but it's not a conspiracy theory just because you don't agree with it. VAR has been corrupt from day one and as Rafa would say... thats a fact It’s absolutely not a fact though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 There's zero evidence of corruption Plenty of evidence for ineptitude, more than a fair bit for bias and even more for crumbling to pressure But outright corruption? You'd be better off banging the drum that the PL wants the headlines generated by the cock ups so there's no rush to fix this because it generates water cooler chatter - which I believe to be true, that's the conspiracy theory, the PL knows the refs aren't good but they don't care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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