BleedClaretAndBlue Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Putin is definitely going to be the more paranoid out of the two men moving forward now. Big power play by Prighozin. The look on that Rostov HQ commanders face when they were sitting talking and was asking why use force . Cant expect Shoigu lasts too much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Has Putin spoken yet since shitting his pants and fleeing Moscow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 I imagine many Russians are feeling pretty deflated rather than inflated today. I'm glad this one is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 25, 2023 Moderator Share Posted June 25, 2023 meanwhile in regards to Belarus... Both the opposition leader in exile and the Kastuś Kalinoŭski Regiment have made announcements today both saying that the time to overthrown Lukashenko is close. The regiment have appealed to its supporters and it's secret reserves in Belarus, to wait for the signal... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 13 minutes ago, bickster said: meanwhile in regards to Belarus... Both the opposition leader in exile and the Kastuś Kalinoŭski Regiment have made announcements today both saying that the time to overthrown Lukashenko is close. The regiment have appealed to its supporters and it's secret reserves in Belarus, to wait for the signal... Which might be one of the reasons Prighozin has been allowed to run off to Belarus as Luka needs back up that Russian regular forces cannot obviously provide. That is of course if Prighozin gets to retain his forces in Belarus? Maybe the deal was struck to provide security for the fat man?? idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bielesibub Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Belarus in trouble? Where did Putin just put a bunch of his nuclear weapons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 25, 2023 Moderator Share Posted June 25, 2023 20 minutes ago, bielesibub said: Belarus in trouble? Where did Putin just put a bunch of his nuclear weapons? He didn’t, it was bullshit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 There is no way putin isnt going to poison prighozin at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted June 25, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: There is no way putin isnt going to poison prighozin at some point He will sip the wrong tea, fall out of the wrong window or light a cigarette at the wrong gas station. CNN reporting as much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 minute ago, trekka said: He will sip the wrong tea, fall out of the wrong window or light a cigarette at the wrong gas station. CNN reporting as much. There is noway putin is going to forget this he will get him at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Did Ukraine make any gains since this mini-civil war kicked off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, avfc1982am said: I imagine many Russians are feeling pretty deflated rather than inflated today. I'm glad this one is. Bless him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 I think if this has proven anything is that Russia is fragile asf and this wont be the end of Putins problems by any stretch. For a minimal mercenary force of a few of thousand troops stretched around the South of Russia to stroll around with minimal opposition to within 200km of Moscow shows just how weak Russian security is. Putin has lost that aura in Russia of some great leader and now has been saved by Lukashenko in the last 24 hours who is in even more of a fragile position in Belarus. You couldn't make it up. The clown saving the idiot and that's how people will see it and the media play it. Even if it isn't completely true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Townsend Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, tinker said: Putins influence over social media is a dangerous weapon, it needs to be stopped. Indeed. If Russia is defeated in Ukraine I bet social media would very quickly calm down. Deliberate stoking of social instability and disinformation in the west via the Internet is one of his most successful policies. Worth adding, electoral interference was Prigozhin's speciality. Edited June 25, 2023 by Captain_Townsend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted June 25, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2023 What I'm not seeing mentioned anywhere yet is money, and the role it played and is playing in the relationship between Prigozhin and Putin. Putin bankrolled Wagner initially. Is he still paying for it? To what extent have Prigozhin's 'investments' in Africa and Syria been able to give him an income? Armies are expensive to maintain in peacetime. Being in an active war is a huge cost multiplier. Another thing to consider is where does Wagner get its supplies from? I'm talking about bullets, shells, tickets etc. From what I've read it comes from Russian authorities (of whatever form). Fuel, food etc he can just buy anywhere, but the military stuff has to come mainly from the Russian armed forces. I suppose what I'm wondering is how 'independent' Wagner is, and maybe there's a mismatch between reality and Prigozhin's perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 On one of the news shows this morning they mentioned the Prigozhin was heading to Belarus with “pockets stuffed with Moscow gold”. If he also managed to negotiate a big ransom then Putin has been mugged off even more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted June 25, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2023 Seen an interesting theory on Prigozhin being sent to Belarus, is he going to back door the Ukraine from there? Its 155km to Kyiv from the Belarus border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 12 minutes ago, tinker said: he going to back door the Ukraine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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