chrisp65 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Minister for the 19th century currently sat by his phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 The BBC's chief political correspondent weighs in . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Well, at least the Home Office can just carry on tomorrow like nothing has happened. Y'know, as she wasn't involved in setting any targets, or knowing about deportations, or discussing cases. Did well to hang on as long as she did by claiming not to know what happened in the department she was supposed to be running. Obvious liar was obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted April 29, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 29, 2018 25 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Minister for the 19th century currently sat by his phone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: The BBC's chief political correspondent weighs in . . . In 2011, Alan Greenspan said 'With notably rare exceptions (2008, for example), the global “invisible hand” has created relatively stable exchange rates, interest rates, prices, and wage rates', and at the time I thought I'd never see a more obviously daft framing for a sentence than 'with notably rare exceptions', but 'however inadvertently, it seems . . .' might be the challenger we've all been waiting for. As in 'however inadvertently, it seems I may have broken my marital vows in that massage parlour', or 'however inadvertently, it seems Neil Warnock may have annoyed a referee' or whatever. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 29, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 29, 2018 Rudd was a remainer wasn't she? May has always tried to keep the balance in the cabinet between leavers and remainers. Gove is a possibility but that would cause her problems elsewhere Rees-Mogg has no chance It would of course be utterly cynical and totally in the mindset to promote Sajid Javid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 I make that 4 ministers to have resigned in the last 6 months or so for various degrees of dishonesty and poor behaviour. Don't get me wrong British politicians have been telling lies and misbehaving since the dawn of time. It does seem however they're begining to be caught out, luckily. They need to be accountable. #strongandstable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 just imagine if there was an opposition party 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 29, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 29, 2018 Bugger! Javid already as low as evens with the bookies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: just imagine if there was an opposition party eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 29, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 29, 2018 Just now, HanoiVillan said: eh? You know, one that opposes Govt policy and not one that goes for the soft target when the head of the beast is on offer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Just now, bickster said: You know, one that opposes Govt policy and not one that goes for the soft target when the head of the beast is on offer One lead by one of the only fourteen MP's to oppose the Immigration Act 2014 when it was up for debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 29, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 29, 2018 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: One lead by one of the only fourteen MP's to oppose the Immigration Act 2014 when it was up for debate? Let me get this straight... I say Labour isn't opposing Govt policy and to counter my point you give me a prime example of Labour not opposing Govt policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Just now, HanoiVillan said: eh? We have a government prone to resignations for porn and lies etc, 4 of them in 6 months. They are struggling with their own internal battles and have one of the poorest communicators ever as leader. They have no majority, they are propped up by a bunch of nutjobs from northern ireland. Unfortunately, Labour started the whole idea of a hostile environment (which the tories picked up and ran with, but hostile environment started under Labour) and has an equally muddled policy on brexit. A brexit for jobs, I believe is the clear policy? But that doesn't really matter, as they have a leader who's doing what he does best. Spending a few months studying policy wording nuance on how to deal with internal party policy on racism. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, bickster said: Let me get this straight... I say Labour isn't opposing Govt policy and to counter my point you give me a prime example of Labour not opposing Govt policy? Labour didn't oppose this, at the time, to their great discredit. A handful of MP's did, to their credit. That handful of MP's includes Corbyn, and this week the Labour party have pushed back hard on the issue. It's taken far too long, but I'm not going to be on board with an argument that says 'we don't have an opposition party' on this issue. I get that there are plenty of posters on here who would never give Corbyn credit for anything, and I guess that's fine at the end of the day, but the stark fact is that he is one of a tiny handful of MP's who has opposed the 'hostile environment' where it matters (through legislation) and has got the party organised to oppose the Tories this week. If they were led by Liz Kendall this week, all the message would have been is a variant on 'how could the Tory implementation of the hostile environment be so inept'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 29, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Labour didn't oppose this, at the time, to their great discredit. A handful of MP's did, to their credit. That handful of MP's includes Corbyn, and this week the Labour party have pushed back hard on the issue. It's taken far too long, but I'm not going to be on board with an argument that says 'we don't have an opposition party' on this issue. I get that there are plenty of posters on here who would never give Corbyn credit for anything, and I guess that's fine at the end of the day, but the stark fact is that he is one of a tiny handful of MP's who has opposed the 'hostile environment' where it matters (through legislation) and has got the party organised to oppose the Tories this week. If they were led by Liz Kendall this week, all the message would have been is a variant on 'how could the Tory implementation of the hostile environment be so inept'. Have they shite, Rudd was the sacrificial lamb. The racist bitch who absolutely turned the heat up on all this is still the PM and like I said earlier, that's because it suits Labour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 1 minute ago, bickster said: Have they shite, Rudd was the sacrificial lamb. The racist bitch who absolutely turned the heat up on all this is still the PM and like I said earlier, that's because it suits Labour I think there's no point in going around this issue, since we're clearly not going to persuade each other, but I really think you're pretty way off base if you actually think that a] the PM might realistically resign, or that b] Labour would somehow rather not topple a Conservative PM (!) because of Brexit (there are other issues in British politics . . . ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 29, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 29, 2018 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: (there are other issues in British politics . . . ) erm, in the grand scheme of things right now, there really aren't Getting rid of Rudd is just a sideshow in comparison to Brexit flushing the economy down the pan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 1 minute ago, bickster said: erm, in the grand scheme of things right now, there really aren't Getting rid of Rudd is just a sideshow in comparison to Brexit flushing the economy down the pan Austerity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 29, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Austerity. Only going to get worse if and when we leave the EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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