ml1dch Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Whens ozzy back ? Get the whole band back together. Hague ? howard? Get Norman Tebbit back in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2023 Just now, Seat68 said: So is this correct, now Cameron is a peer, he can't enter the house of Commons? If he stood is a Tory safe seat (do they currently exist???) and won, could he enter the commons, and then potentially be elevated to leader via their internal processes? Yes, if he relinquished the Lord's seat. But it won't happen. Cameron won't want to be PM again, he wouldn't give up the Lord's seat, and even if he was prepared to do that he's not likely to get the nomination because he represents the Tory party of a decade ago when the thing that kept them divided was Europe but everything else they were roughly aligned on. He opened Pandora's box, answered the European question for them, and then discovered the party was divided in many other ways that have only got worse in the time since he quit. He wouldn't win the vote. Him coming back as Foreign Secretary is more that he didn't have much to do and is seen as a reasonably sensible figure for a troubled international time that is distracting the nation when there's domestic messes everywhere, and he's not engaged with the current turmoil in the party that makes Sunak very vulnerable and unsure of who he can trust and who he can appoint. Cameron is just an easy sticking plaster for something he doesn't want to think about with an election coming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Just now, Chindie said: Yes, if he relinquished the Lord's seat. But it won't happen. Cameron won't want to be PM again, he wouldn't give up the Lord's seat, and even if he was prepared to do that he's not likely to get the nomination because he represents the Tory party of a decade ago when the thing that kept them divided was Europe but everything else they were roughly aligned on. He opened Pandora's box, answered the European question for them, and then discovered the party was divided in many other ways that have only got worse in the time since he quit. He wouldn't win the vote. Him coming back as Foreign Secretary is more that he didn't have much to do and is seen as a reasonably sensible figure for a troubled international time that is distracting the nation when there's domestic messes everywhere, and he's not engaged with the current turmoil in the party that makes Sunak very vulnerable and unsure of who he can trust and who he can appoint. Cameron is just an easy sticking plaster for something he doesn't want to think about with an election coming. Yes, I thought there isn't a chance that he would, more me confirming the route he would have to take, which he won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 13, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, Seat68 said: So is this correct, now Cameron is a peer, he can't enter the house of Commons? Yep and that will mean someone else (who is an MP) will have to stand in for him for questions / statements. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, bickster said: Yep and that will mean someone else (who is an MP) will have to stand in for him for questions / statements. Win/win for DC then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Genie said: Win/win for DC then. 100% he has hardly anything to lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 It would be great to have the triple, a Villa supporting Prince, a Villa supporting PM, and David Moyes getting us 13 straight home wins. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: Would this be considered a bit of a snub to May? If we’re bringing back old the gang, Sunak’s kinda skipped past her tenure. May is tainted by the too recent past. Cameron is just removed enough from the nightmare of the last 7 years (because he left the second he opened the box) that he can be viewed as a safe, boring, sensible adult in the room kind of figure for foreign secretary. Before he unleashed Brexit Cameron was fairly well received internationally, because he's the kind of smooth posh boy that can shake hands and be unintrusive, and his time as PM was basically defined by his only being interested in the big flashy international stuff. May meanwhile is a bit of a joke of a leader and nothing suggests she'd be any good as a foreign secretary. She's too much the little Englander, the school mistress, the Thatcher tribute act without the substantive bastardness behind it. Wouldn't work. But even without that she's too tainted by a failed, lumpen, pathetic period in Number 10 too recently to even be in the conversation. She's also still an MP which makes it slightly awkward to bring her back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 5 weeks after telling all the newspapers he was going to be the change to 30 years of failed status quo, he brings back Rick Parfitt Cameron from the dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 13, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Chindie said: She's also still an MP which makes it slightly awkward to bring her back. I agree with the rest of your post but I'm not sure why this is awkward? There is precedent for former PMs to later serve in cabinet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) The Tories have 350 mp's but have had to scramble around to make Cameron a peer so he can be made Foreign Secretary. It says it all about the lack of talent in the Tory party. You've got to think there must a lot of pissed off Tory MP's at the moment. Those on the right and those pissed off that they were overlooked for a failed former PM who is not even a MP. Edited November 13, 2023 by markavfc40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chindie Posted November 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, bickster said: I agree with the rest of your post but I'm not sure why this is awkward? There is precedent for former PMs to later serve in cabinet May was rejected by the party ultimately and she's become a back bencher who doesn't really matter much anymore (baring the usual occasional parliament speech where a former PM or high ranking cabinet member (/shadow cabinet) gets to make a comment which carries more bite for who/what they were). By bringing her back into a 'great office' seat, back from the cold, is a bit too on the nose to the rest of the party, which isn't there with Cameron who jumped entirely before the party could turn on him formally, and can't be seen as a underhand way of getting back into power proper. She also very pointedly said she would be a back bench MP when she left so asking her to reverse that is a bit off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 13, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: The Tories have 350 mp's but have had to scramble around to make Cameron a peer so he can be made Foreign Secretary. It says it all about the lack of talent in the Tory party. You've got to think there must a lot of pissed off Tory MP's at the moment. Those on the right and those pissed off that they were overlooked for a failed former PM who is not even a MP. It also says a lot about who Sunak feels he can trust that isn’t a threat to him. Given that Sunak and Cameron are from different factions of the party and Cameron is still a remainer and has very recently publicly criticised Sunak (Over scrapping HS2 was the last time I recall), that Sunak has gone with Cameron says a whole lot more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, bickster said: It also says a lot about who Sunak feels he can trust that isn’t a threat to him. Given that Sunak and Cameron are from different factions of the party and Cameron is still a remainer and has very recently publicly criticised Sunak (Over scrapping HS2 was the last time I recall), that Sunak has gone with Cameron says a whole lot more. 100% When they lose next election it will take them years to rebuild like labour have done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 13, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2023 25 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: When they lose next election it will take them years to rebuild like labour have done They won't manage it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 For "next election" watchers - several junior ministers (Nick Gibb, Jesse Norman, Will Quince, Neil O'Brien) are asking to leave Government, rather than being fired. ACOBA rules say that you need to be out of Government for six months prior to taking on certain jobs outside politics. Six months from now takes us to....May, and one of the potential election windows. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, bickster said: They won't manage it. Maybe they won't. But I am sure Labour will do their absolute best to make a mess of things and give Tories a fighting chance! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Seems like absolute desperation bringing Cameron back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 13, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Mic09 said: Maybe they won't. But I am sure Labour will do their absolute best to make a mess of things and give Tories a fighting chance! Welcome to the resurgence of the LibDems (who are much closer politically to traditional Tory voters than the current party) I agree with your assessment of Labour but by the third term the LibDems will be the official opposition. Tory Party once they've lost will get more toxic and their current voter demographics are completely against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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