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this isnt how analytics work. jfc you dont just go...Score 2 goals = good.... Then ignore rest. Same way people said pass X = bad. Touches from player X vs player Y = bad fighting a losing battle with people who dont really know how stats work properly and how results orientated people are with it so im going to gg and save it for other parts. and wish you all the best. hope you guys use better stats in future than the shit youre using to fit naratives. Peace xx

and i still remember when i said im not postive or negative about westwood. And i was doing it when he performed shite. so great point there? Just never seen someone give so much weight towards "passing" stats. Especially those who know wtf theyre talking about. in before this "great sportsjoe" article im glad westwood decided to turn up and show twice the effort from previous games to show for the ball. And it was nothing to do with other factors...which is so easily explained also you tried to directly compare touches from a winger to a midfielder before (with zero context or explanation)....sooooo? Guessing doesn't fit narative

errrr? so if a guy did nothing whole game with 0 passes...but scored two tap ins from corner...its ok when two things are totally not related? just because somebody ran postive side of variance one game doesnt mean you can ignore all criticisms from rest of game. Thats just as results orientated and wrong thinking as it gets everything is about context and not some awful meaningless stat on whoscored website. Does anyone whos reputable in analytics world argue about passing stats?? never seen it tbh. Key passes yes. "Passes"? no

Lol. but apparently you dont expect a midfielder whos deepest to have more passes than someone higher or difference style of play. But on wing its ok to ignore....zzzzzzzzzzz. You just always post terrible stats with 0 context always to come up with some conclusion. 0 idea how to use stats. Please learn whats meaningful stats and what isnt tell me how his passes stats of this game fall into previous narratives you formed please He just decided to show twice effort today? p.s you always say "X has lower stat than whole team"...why not say postions youre actually comparing? Guessing because it fits to exaggerate when youre trying to prove a point.

thats the point lol.... passing stats suddenly become important here...when in reality its super pointless. One of most pointless stats used. edit: Just curious.. did he just decide to show twice the effort today for these passing stats and not being a coward and not bottling and showing for the ball. Or maybe it was position and setup we played to get those stats? hmmmmmmm (shock more passes when jedi was out the team lol i would make some crazy assumptions about positions...but they got shot down last time so i cant...maybe this is just a weird fluke of a game....sure some knowledgeable poster about passing stats will show something decent )

so can this guy actually press and actually mark passing lanes yet or? Laughably terrible last year....just wondering if any improvement in his game defensively. (which does make a difference offensive)

45 passes today. Adomah only 21. Dam what a shit player adomah is. Westwood in. Adomah out......... loooooooooool 21 is worst than what westwood did before in a game people tried to criticise over passing stats. XD. whoscored such a terrible site for statworld

depends on your definition on "fanbase"....do i think plop + united have a bunch of fans if never heard about the game wouldnt watch it....sure. But those same fans would still class themselves as part of fanbase.... Keep shoving it down their throats and theyll watch And also biging a game like that it just 101 advertisement for a product right? Seen everywhere in world? i just get little confused on the Sky hate for advertising their product. Dramatic over the top shit sells. (basically clickbait articles for the football world) its odd...but it sells and gets viewers @OFTR. sorry usually drunk posting so i apologize if aggressive posting. But im not a fan but i care about two of the biggest teams in country playing against each other same way i care about barca vs madrid in la liga. Its exciting...there is good players...and theres plenty of funny moments if one team loses advertisement is super important to me tbh...i havent watched a single FNF game because advertisement doesnt hit me from Tuesday-Friday.. But shoving a game down my throat for monday over weekend...makes me watch it all the time. Its same for other games on sunday etc really. If i had sky constant shoving a big weekend..(or mainly friday) .ill be sure to check it out

would happily argue carrick is one of the under rated players given international team in past. He is 35 atm....Bit of slack. May aswell say barry is rubbish for blowing out his ass in a lot of games in past 1~ year for everton which caused some conceded goals

if he mentioned about how one of defenders being able to step into midfield i would give him credit for saying something casual bbc fans wouldnt think off (which is one of the huge benefits of spurs atm)...but he doesnt so he doesnt have a clue how the system works

yeh Jedinak is bad for that goal. lol at stopping there. Should easily be 3 more yards into box. Shouldnt even be tracking really or "marking a man". Just standard position to be in at that spot marking space (aka passing lanes/options) Force out. not in.

people using passing stats still. jfc. deepest midfielder has a lot of passes. who dafuq would have thought!? Of course they do......football 101. one of most pointless stats to ever be used in world football comparing players

havent read all thread just some.... i feel like talking to supporters from other leagues they view managers different (dont know how true it actually is or just forum is like-minded people)...but...it does super feel like managers here are criticized way more for everything compared to them. Some defender makes defensive mistake couple of games in a row.."manager cant set up defence". You lose = bad manager. You lose multiple games = even more bad manager.. you win = good manager. When theres a bunch of variables which get attributed to the manager which arnt their fault at all. A ton of people (and media) seem super short term results orientated thinking here. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also i think it got semi covered. Talk of top english managers (i dont see different between british and english?) making top teams....Is there a difference between englishmanagers lower prem table position in table compared to foreigners making it at top teams here? theres: Moyes -> united....Poch -> spurs....rodgers -> plop. Who else? harry -> spurs? am i missing anyone last 10 years where a foreign guy managed below top 7 and got top 4 job? Just seems a case of top teams have huge money and employing managers who have a bad season or two from other leagues rather than "english (british) guys suck". and english media/fans sucking. managers are so so over rated in terms of actual club

you guys need to stop giving a **** what people say in media....means nothing really Mane is huuuuuuuuuge miss

almost as if its the two of the biggest fan base's?! **** a company pandering advertisement to what brings them in money? how terrible... get over it. just look for kick off times and watch start of kick off and final whistle only if advertisement annoys you this much. Dont get your line of thinking at all

if you think its free money, then lol? Cant tell if youre being serious? i hope you are. will be a fun after .

i used to be one of liverpool biggest haters. Especially with rodgers in charge. But now klopp is about...find it impossible to just not sit back and enjoy the football and the man himself. Hope they win the league tbh. Quite a bit of my hate from them are going towards united... what wages is he on? wenger is on like 9mil right? dont see why arsenal dont just offer that to klopp when he finally goes.

phil neville is an awful commentator. Was stuck watching american stream for last night game. His voice is just terrible over 90 mins. Gary neville still easily best pundit. Find the logic of "he failed at valancia so wtf does he know" very weird and short term thinking

poch is great. They went a pretty long time without scoring from open play but looked pretty bad going forward/sluggish.. Look much better with 3 at back recent times . Pretty perfect for their squad. Wasnt so much matching chelsea system. They played it before the game and its just system the squad needs rather than matching it for chelsea. It was their system rose been quality this season

one main gripe ive always had here about westwood is about his floaty corners bollocks...Didnt lambert say "if your best header'r of the ball wants certain cross you do whatever he wants". And ive noticed townsand doing the exact same for C.P. Just feel a lot of the "blame" for that should have gone towards benteke rather westwood. dont think any of them should have blame though tbh. --------------------------------- "his agent should be shot". why? Do you think his agent was turning down moves from teams higher than liverpool? You think everybody in the country didnt know the exact strengths/weaknesses he had? He had to show he can overcome some pretty strong weaknesses for a move to top team. And he never for liverpool. Dont see why agent is wrong for any of that though? if he was genuinely top team material. 32m would be a steal for any top team. But they didnt think he was worth it at end of day. just falls into category of defoe/bent/bony/ (maybe lukaku) type strikers who are super valuable for under top 7~ teams

just start of with technology next year with: 1. is player whos kicking the ball in the net immediate offside. Check whilst celebrating the goal. 2. People who get given a pen/FK in final third did they dive with 0 contact what so ever. quickly check. just start of with that and after season just add gradual complexity to the rules to see how well it works. And as steve said earlier...if you cant prove it 100% from tech it doesnt make it bad. As long as it improves it some % its better than not to do it. Just gradually increase complexity over time

got to love the quote of (similar) "i didnt realise this league had so many long balls" and people believing one of the most stat - analytical manager wouldnt have seen or noticed it before. jfc guys. its a pre/post interview. it means **** all. as with all managers Also shoveling all the money over one window will not buy instant success. Especially for a such a complex and tactical demanding system pep plays. He will not have seen in the first couple of months he was there who can interpret properly or not. thats not saying he wont be a failure. who the **** knows. but give it longer than 6 months jeez. This country is obsessed with managers in short term and its getting a bit silly. (i think i saw previous discussions about klop aswell iirc. there was a time where people was saying "wow hes doing pretty bad! is it any better than rodgers? nevermind he has the whole rest of season to implement his ideas and do whatever he wants to do". Having that timeframe of doing whatever you want to do as a manager is amazing and pretty important. especially before windows didnt zatman aswell say he was going to be a huge failure? (flopp)

lol....just quote bookies odds. Thats as realistic odds you will get than any opinion anyone will have here. If you think its 0% then lay them and make a decent profit.....i guess you wont though... ----------------------------------------- iwobi is very good wtf. what is it with people wanting to write of youngsters instantly? movement was pretty dam good picking up holes in bournemouth game but lack of team passing in first 70 mins from everyone Coq is a good DM...not world clas (who said he was?)...not bad either...good at what he does. has the speed to cover certain mid partners but lacks intelligence for card/game management for season. Still good though and makes some crucial tackles. he has played a different role this year from the traditional ball winning DM against a few teams. Almost as a high presser midfielder. sanchez is def gone imo.

yeh get your point. wrong wording by me. xx

no **** shit. Like talking to a child. should be incredibly implied i dont think its going to be EXACT.....but it will be very related....obviously