Morpheus Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Unless the new manager coming in has been out of work for some time and would just be glad to get the job such as Bruce or Curbs, then to pry a current Premiership manager away from his club will have to include a promise from the chairman to provide funds for a major rebuilding job. They simply won't come otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanisgod Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I think if massive backing from the chairman was on the cards we'd have had better managers than McLaren and McLeish lined up. I agree in principle that we need a new approach, but it will take any manager more than a summer to sort this mess out, and I really dont think there's the patience around the club to sit through another rubbish season. On the other hand I wouldn't fancy being the manager stepping in to the job either, for that reason I think we'd struggle to get any of the names being thrown around. I'd imagine the manager's all stick together and like the media most probably consider McLeish to be unfairly treated by the Villa fans, I doubt that would inspire them to fill his shoes. For those reasons more than anything else I think we'll keep McLeish, not because he's doing well but because there's little interest from elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 10, 2012 Moderator Share Posted May 10, 2012 I think people are expecting an instant massive turnaround when we appoint a new manager. The reality is our squad isnt good enough and any manager coming in will struggle IMO. I disagree. I don't think people expect a massive turnaround. Most people aren't that stupid. They know we no longer have Young, Downing, Barry & Milner. They know this squad isn't the one that got us 6th. But there is a realistic expectation of some kind of a turnaround. If you accept that McLeish is a poor manager and that for a long time we weren't a million miles off midtable, then ANY kind of a better manager should have us midtable with the squad we have right now over the course of a season. If you don't think we could be higher with what we have then it follows that you must think McLeish has done a representative job with what was at his disposal and by extension that he hasn't failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I'd like Martinez, Billic, Poyet. Fresh from the ever reliable source of information that is Twitter: Dean Jones @DJones_People Slaven Bilic to leave Croatia job = He's on his way to the Prem If true, you'd have to think it's to West Brom right? But I guess you never know in football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irreverentad Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I think people are expecting an instant massive turnaround when we appoint a new manager. The reality is our squad isnt good enough and any manager coming in will struggle IMO. I disagree. I don't think people expect a massive turnaround. Most people aren't that stupid. They know we no longer have Young, Downing, Barry & Milner. They know this squad isn't the one that got us 6th. But there is a realistic expectation of some kind of a turnaround. If you accept that McLeish is a poor manager and that for a long time we weren't a million miles off midtable, then ANY kind of a better manager should have us midtable with the squad we have right now over the course of a season. If you don't think we could be higher with what we have then it follows that you must think McLeish has done a representative job with what was at his disposal and by extension that he hasn't failed. I'd accept us being safe with 6 or 7 games to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted May 10, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted May 10, 2012 He's definitely leaving Croatia, he's said so himself. Where he goes is Twitter's guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I think people are expecting an instant massive turnaround when we appoint a new manager. The reality is our squad isnt good enough and any manager coming in will struggle IMO. I disagree. I don't think people expect a massive turnaround. Most people aren't that stupid. They know we no longer have Young, Downing, Barry & Milner. They know this squad isn't the one that got us 6th. But there is a realistic expectation of some kind of a turnaround. If you accept that McLeish is a poor manager and that for a long time we weren't a million miles off midtable, then ANY kind of a better manager should have us midtable with the squad we have right now over the course of a season. If you don't think we could be higher with what we have then it follows that you must think McLeish has done a representative job with what was at his disposal and by extension that he hasn't failed.Exactly. However, a new manager would be able to at least give us a couple more wins (and less draws) and have the team playing in a way that isn't soul-crushing and negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanisgod Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 If you don't think we could be higher with what we have then it follows that you must think McLeish has done a representative job with what was at his disposal and by extension that he hasn't failed. It's not as simple as that, mostly it depends on the manager or rather the type of manager. Get MoN in here and we'll be midtable easy, the players know his style of football and are comfortable with it, he's a better McLeish. However, get a footballing manager in here and I think we get worse before we get better, a lot of the players at the club simply cant adapt to that type of play, hence the reasons Houllier struggled last season with what is largely considered to be a better squad than we have now. The only thing that may affect that is the summer transfer window, but I really cant see the numbers of players leaving and coming in needed to make a change in style work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Unless there is a massive turnaround 'BOF' then it will be Groundhog Day next season again. I simply don't think that bringing in a new manager and asking him to work under the same present conditions will result in much of an improvement. Our squad is just too poor in quality. For me its all about the right combination this time. The right manager with the right funds to take the club by the scruff of the neck and turn it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 10, 2012 Moderator Share Posted May 10, 2012 You're right in a broader context stanthemanisgod but I don't think it particularly applies in McLeish's case. He hasn't tried to overly change the way these players play. Houllier had one season which is not long enough to stamp any long lasting effect on a footballer. Before that not enough of them played in footballing sides that could explain our form. He simply managed them badly. However, to go back to your point, that is the one worry I would have about bringing Martinez in. His would be a seismic shift in our footballing ethos whereas Lambert would be able to work with what we have. He could take his tactics and formations and apply them to our players and he'd be able to get them comfortably and immediately up the league. Martinez might work out wonderfully and to be honest I think he would succeed, but we might have that initial dip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 10, 2012 Moderator Share Posted May 10, 2012 I don't understand how you can think that Morpheus. Honestly I don't. If you think any manager would only do as well as McLeish has, then you must think McLeish has done fairly OK and that it is solely down to the 'present conditions' rather than him contributing too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I think the next manager, can lift the side and in reality it won't be hard to improve on this season will it? We should be finishing mid-table, also this crap about McLeish not having money, he had £20million, more money than he ever had at Birmingham and he messed it up. He purchased N'Zogbia who has been awful, purchased a RB we didn't need, bought in an injury prone midfielder. He tactically hasn't got a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister_Master Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 http://www.record.xl.pt/Futebol/Internacional/interior.aspx?content_id=756076 Villas Boas may sign for 5 years with Villa. He will lead an ambicious project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 10, 2012 Moderator Share Posted May 10, 2012 Gardner, Herd & Lichaj will be one season more ready aswell. They'll have the likes of Johnson knocking on the door too. In fairness to Eck, we were almost demanding that N'Zogbia be signed to replace Downing. We did also need a rightback with Luke Young leaving. Though Hutton hasn't worked out (I thought he would). At the time they looked like good signings, particularly N'Zogbia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 http://www.record.xl.pt/Futebol/Internacional/interior.aspx?content_id=756076 Villas Boas may sign for 5 years with Villa. He will lead an ambicious project. I will eat my own shit if that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaizend Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 http://www.record.xl.pt/Futebol/Internacional/interior.aspx?content_id=756076 Villas Boas may sign for 5 years with Villa. He will lead an ambicious project. I love speculation. Watch this gather steam for 2 months then we get news Bruce and Warnock have been secured for interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Gardner, Herd & Lichaj will be one season more ready aswell. They'll have the likes of Johnson knocking on the door too. In fairness to Eck, we were almost demanding that N'Zogbia be signed to replace Downing. We did also need a rightback with Luke Young leaving. Though Hutton hasn't worked out (I thought he would). At the time they looked like good signings, particularly N'Zogbia. Herd had played at RB and played against possibly the most direct winger in the league and got no joy out of him, plus we had Cuellar, Lichaj, we desperately needed a LB. We also needed a CM who could win the ball but we bought in Jenas. As for N'Zogbia, I still have faith with a better manager we will see a better N'Zogbia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slovenian Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Bilic is off to FC Lokomotiv Moscow according to rumour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Knowing our luck we will sack McLeish then promote Grant from Assistant Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Mad to not go for AVB, older players are not in the same class as Drogba so can **** right off if they try and unsettle the style, KMac would complement his type of play and we already are the project that he was trying to achieve at Chelsea. Could be the best thing ever that his reputation was tarnished, ahhh speculation in a foreign language, brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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