wiggyrichard Posted November 11, 2010 Author Share Posted November 11, 2010 So you'd consider the human rights of the person who knows the whereabouts of your possibly soon to be killed family member rather than getting them freed? Try reading some of the other posts in the thread. Dont worry Neil, Snowy & Chindie think we should all sit round in a circle with the terrorists and talk it through over a cup of tea. I dont buy into this hypothetical bullshit, ive put you in a situation and asked how you would respond as Tamuff has and all that i hear is that its hypothetical. Step into the real world where it is nasty, dark and evil. The speaking nicely approach went out the window on the 11th September 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Dont worry Neil, Snowy & Chindie think we should all sit round in a circle with the terrorists and talk it through over a cup of tea. Because that is exactly what people have said, haven't they? :yawn: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 11, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted November 11, 2010 Christ. Here endeth my involvement in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted November 11, 2010 Author Share Posted November 11, 2010 If my kids were in danger it would tear me to pieces and I'd gladly give my life in exchange.... but I would NEVER condone the barbaric torturing of another human being to possibly extract information that may lead to their release. If you have principles then you stick to them no matter. You wouldnt heap pain and suffering onto someone who was holding information onto the whereabouts and the safe return of your own flesh and blood!?!? Julie, im sorry, but that is utter shite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno_2004 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 If my kids were in danger it would tear me to pieces and I'd gladly give my life in exchange.... but I would NEVER condone the barbaric torturing of another human being to possibly extract information that may lead to their release. If you have principles then you stick to them no matter. I feel sorry for your children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 11, 2010 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2010 Lets keep this civil please folks or I will fetch BOF and his waterboard, you wouldn't like him when he is angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted November 11, 2010 Author Share Posted November 11, 2010 Dont worry Neil, Snowy & Chindie think we should all sit round in a circle with the terrorists and talk it through over a cup of tea. Because that is exactly what people have said, haven't they? :yawn: You keep going on about human rights etc. Mandela and Adams blah blah blah. So yes, that is what you and a couple of others have said Snowy. Dont be changing your mind now! :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Lets keep this civil please folks or I will fetch BOF and his waterboard, you wouldn't like him when he is angry. True Lets keep it nice peoples after all hopefully none of us will ever have to make the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 There are either a couple of pig shit stupid idiots in this thread or they're a couple of wind up merchants. How many different ways can you explain to somebody that you think torture is immoral, doesn't work and will ultimately escalate the problem of terrorism? Want the answer, read back over this thread, though I warn you reading to page 5 and beyond does carry health risks, as you may bang your head against a wall. The counter arguments aren't very creative, more repetitive, and more so don't attempt to answer the points, as if the point has flown straight over them or they've chosen to ignore it - you decide. I eagerly await the stock reply...so you'd just stand by while your children are murdered, drinking tea with the big bad TERRORIST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted November 11, 2010 Author Share Posted November 11, 2010 If my kids were in danger it would tear me to pieces and I'd gladly give my life in exchange.... but I would NEVER condone the barbaric torturing of another human being to possibly extract information that may lead to their release. If you have principles then you stick to them no matter. I still cant believe what im reading! I cant bring myself to type/say what i want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 If my kids were in danger it would tear me to pieces and I'd gladly give my life in exchange.... but I would NEVER condone the barbaric torturing of another human being to possibly extract information that may lead to their release. If you have principles then you stick to them no matter. I still cant believe what im reading! I cant bring myself to type/say what i want to. Go on. Do it. I'm all for a banning of one of the "right wing/hawk/shallow thought" brigade. EDIT: Perhaps that should just say "intolerant of others views" brigade. Julie is quite within her rights to hold her views, and they are views I would largely support ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno_2004 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 If my kids were in danger it would tear me to pieces and I'd gladly give my life in exchange.... but I would NEVER condone the barbaric torturing of another human being to possibly extract information that may lead to their release. If you have principles then you stick to them no matter. I still cant believe what im reading! I cant bring myself to type/say what i want to.Try not to be passionate about it though - you'll be labeled as a 'pig-shit idiot' or something of the sort for having a different opinion and arguing your corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieB Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Well it's not very often I EVER agree with Chindie and Snowy but I'm sorry I'm with them on this guys torture is barbaric end of and we have to draw the line at what we as human beings will stoop to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 You keep going on about human rights etc. Do I? Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 If my kids were in danger it would tear me to pieces and I'd gladly give my life in exchange.... but I would NEVER condone the barbaric torturing of another human being to possibly extract information that may lead to their release. If you have principles then you stick to them no matter. I still cant believe what im reading! I cant bring myself to type/say what i want to. I know what you mean mate, if you're face to face with some utter scum and you need to know what he's done with your family (or insert your own potentially deadly plot) and time is ticking away, I'm 110% for getting the desired information however it needs to be done. At least then I'd be able to tell myself I tried everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieB Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 If my kids were in danger it would tear me to pieces and I'd gladly give my life in exchange.... but I would NEVER condone the barbaric torturing of another human being to possibly extract information that may lead to their release. If you have principles then you stick to them no matter. I feel sorry for your children. Mine are just about adults anyhow so can speak for themselves. But I'll guarantee if you asked them would their Mum ever condone the torture of another human being in an attempt to protect them, then they'd say "No way" However if you asked them would Mum have ever taken action to protect us when we were little eg if someone broke in the house & tried to snatch them, then yes she would have, even if it meant bashing him or her over the head with something. Torturing someone in an attempt that they may have information that may well be unreliable is unacceptable in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted November 11, 2010 Author Share Posted November 11, 2010 If my kids were in danger it would tear me to pieces and I'd gladly give my life in exchange.... but I would NEVER condone the barbaric torturing of another human being to possibly extract information that may lead to their release. If you have principles then you stick to them no matter. I still cant believe what im reading! I cant bring myself to type/say what i want to. Go on. Do it. I'm all for a banning of one of the "right wing/hawk/shallow thought" brigade. Im hurt Jon, wouldnt you miss me? :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 These Hollywood hypotheticals are really great, but bare no relation to the real life. They'd make a great ending to a Bruce Willis blockbuster though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 i merely happen to be better at it than you are Genuinely meant in a nice way. :winkold: Seriously though. The poll results are disappointing. Long term US foreign policy with regard to the Middle East Stinks. Israel gets handouts, Muslim nations get destabilized if they don't tow the line. The entrenched greed (Bush family, Rumsfeld, Petrochemical industries etc) and vanity (TB UK) of our leaders has created a monster. It's Joe Public on all sides (especially Iraq) that get hurt. I'd rather get drastic with the cause than the symptom. edit - grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted November 11, 2010 Author Share Posted November 11, 2010 If my kids were in danger it would tear me to pieces and I'd gladly give my life in exchange.... but I would NEVER condone the barbaric torturing of another human being to possibly extract information that may lead to their release. If you have principles then you stick to them no matter. I feel sorry for your children. Mine are just about adults anyhow so can speak for themselves. But I'll guarantee if you asked them would their Mum ever condone the torture of another human being in an attempt to protect them, then they'd say "No way" However if you asked them would Mum have ever taken action to protect us when we were little eg if someone broke in the house & tried to snatch them, then yes she would have, even if it meant bashing him or her over the head with something. Torturing someone in an attempt that they may have information that may well be unreliable is unacceptable. So you wouldnt torture someone to protect them, yet you would 'bash them over the head' and potentially kill them? :? So am i a bad or a good parent for doing anything (torture) and everything in my power to ensure my son is safe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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