Genie Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 I think Apple's iPad has stimulated the marketplace especially for Android based tablets. There is probably more choice now due to Apple than there would have been without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 I care because people keep buying apple products and so feed this controlling machine that is all about extracting money from their customers. It has a negative effect on the whole industry. Do you think Samsung, Sony, HTC, Nokia or even Microsoft are any different? I have a Samsung NC10 because it does all I need and cannot see the point of buying an Apple laptop at nearly 3 times the price. My wife has an Ipad and I will be honest when she has gone to bed and there is **** all on the TV do I get out my laptop, open it up, power it on, wait for it to connect to the router or do I pcik up the Ipad press the home button and in about 10 seconds start surfing the web? When my NC10 dies I might buy an Ipad, I might by an Android Tablet or even a WM7 powered version, it depends on what they can do and at what cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 I care because people keep buying apple products and so feed this controlling machine that is all about extracting money from their customers. It has a negative effect on the whole industry. Do you think Samsung, Sony, HTC, Nokia or even Microsoft are any different? Yes (to all but Microsoft). The first 4 exist in the phone market solely to sell phones. Once you have one of their phones, that's it, job done. As such they'll make phones that do what you want, and they don't care what you then do to them. Apple however control not just the phone but the OS and market around it. This means that not only are they bothered about you buying their phone, they want to make sure you use it how they want you to. That means buying from their market, and generating more revenue for them. People may not see it, or may not care, but Apple are bad for consumer devices. They like things to be locked down, they like total control. Jobs even goes as far as wanting things to be moral (Want some porn? there's not an app for that). Frankly I can't see why anyone would want to sign up to a service where what you do is limited to what the platform owner thinks you should be doing. I want free reign to use my devices how I want, if that includes downloading an app that makes some bints breasts wobble when I shake my phone then why should anyone tell me I'm not allowed to? It's not a fisherprice phone, so why act like it's users are kids? Because that's what apple does, it says "no, you're not responsible enough to decide what's good for you, so we will instead". No flash, no unauthorised apps, just what Apple tell you you can have. I have a Samsung NC10 because it does all I need and cannot see the point of buying an Apple laptop at nearly 3 times the price. My wife has an Ipad and I will be honest when she has gone to bed and there is **** all on the TV do I get out my laptop, open it up, power it on, wait for it to connect to the router or do I pcik up the Ipad press the home button and in about 10 seconds start surfing the web? When my NC10 dies I might buy an Ipad, I might by an Android Tablet or even a WM7 powered version, it depends on what they can do and at what cost. See this is exactly what tablets are good for. Immediate consumption of media. If you want to create content, they're useless, but for digesting it, they do have a use. I'd definitely wait for the android and windows based ones though, a browsing experience without flash isn't much of one imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 26, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted July 26, 2010 Can we set up a Apple vs Android thread and move all this shit out of here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b23avfc Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Can we set up a Apple vs Android thread and move all this shit out of here? DEFINITELY would like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Can we set up a Apple vs Android thread and move all this shit out of here?Why? My post isn't about Apple vs Android, it's entirely about the iphone and it's flaws. This is the iphone thread is it not? Or is it the iphone fanboi thread, where only positive things can be said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 26, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted July 26, 2010 We can be negative. Here we go, I don't like that you have to exit an app, and then double click to get the multitasking bar up and then close your app. it annoys me. But someone owning a different phone and then posting a load of negative stuff about the iphone is a lot more "fanboy" if you ask me. Obviously you're quite welcome to post it, but most of the people in this thread want to discuss their iphones constructively, rather than just post a load of negatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 It's important to know why we dislike what Apple are doing. I'm no Android fanboi but it took until this year for phones good enough to give a viable alternative to the iPhone to appear and so I could finally get a smartphone that I control. The market needs competition and it ideally needs to see proper freedom given to phones. For that to happen people need to turn away from the iPhone and it's total control of it's users so that Apple has to turn it's back on it's control everything to maxamise revenue philosophy. For example, internal battery. Apple asks itself is there any reason to allow for a removable battery. Answer is no as when the battery slowly dies over time having an internal battery will mean people are more likely to buy a new phone. Similar allowing a removable sd card would mean content can't be policed through itunes. Similar full access to your phones hard drive could result in the same. Allowing flash would compromise games revenue and sales of video via itunes. While in the world of PC's you can buy any type of hardware, match an OS and buy any 3rd party software to put on it. You don't need permission from anyone what you do on your pc. You have the choice. So why should apple tell me what I'm allowed to do with a product? It's this that I'm against, I just want freedom to be present. Apple are clearly excellent innovators but rather than make the best product possible they are too concerned with maximising revenue and this is wrong and it must change. People need to see this and by turning their back on apple force them to address this fundamental problem with philosophy of the company. Competition is good for the consumer, we need total seperation from hardware and software as we enjoy in the PC world. Can you see my arguement? You don't have to agree with me I'm just trying to explain my views on Apple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 26, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted July 26, 2010 So don't buy apple stuff then. the rest of us will. Everyone's happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 No you're missing the point. As long as Apple retain this much control they may sign developers up to exclusivity agreements thereby furthering their monopoly meaning we end up with an inferior product in the free from apple world. So by simply not buying apple products I am still under the influence they have over the whole smartphone industry. This is the problem, Apple have so much influence that it is hindering the free market the smarphones should enjoy by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 26, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted July 26, 2010 But correct me if I'm wrong, but someone posted smart phone usage figures not so long ago and the iPhone was far from a majority. In fact Android had more users. Anyway, i'm bored now. Don't lose any sleep over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 That figure was for sales of new handsets. Im pretty sure the usage of smartphones is the same as it ever was, Blackberry in first, iPhone second and Android third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 I was about to say we're going in circles now. I can only hope Apples market share continues to decrease and that no developers sign up to an Apple world monopoly. Though the ever emerging "image" of the iPhone user as either a woman or naive and simplistic person is an important weapon in the fight against Apple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 I have a Samsung NC10 because it does all I need and cannot see the point of buying an Apple laptop at nearly 3 times the price. My wife has an Ipad and I will be honest when she has gone to bed and there is **** all on the TV do I get out my laptop, open it up, power it on, wait for it to connect to the router or do I pcik up the Ipad press the home button and in about 10 seconds start surfing the web? When my NC10 dies I might buy an Ipad, I might by an Android Tablet or even a WM7 powered version, it depends on what they can do and at what cost. Sorry for taking this OT but this bit relates to something you posted in the Ubuntu thread. The Samsung NC10 is an Atom-based netbook. It's what Ubuntu Netbook Edition was built for. It seems the biggest advantage anyone can think of with an iPad is that they can just pick it up, wake it, find what they want on the net and put it back down again. I've got an Asus EEE netbook (same kinda thing as the Samsung) and all I do is open the lid, wait 2 seconds, browse the web and then close it again. And I have a keyboard and usable apps in the OS. Don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 I was about to say we're going in circles now. I can only hope Apples market share continues to decrease and that no developers sign up to an Apple world monopoly. Though the ever emerging "image" of the iPhone user as either a woman or naive and simplistic person is an important weapon in the fight against Apple. Everyone with an interest in driving technology forward has to thank Apple and more specifically, Steve Jobs. The iPhone implementation was a kick up the arse of the mobile ecosystem, and even though Android was around first it wouldn't have been anything like it is today without the competition provided by Apple. As it is, Apple have already lost their war. The only way for them to remain relevant now is to open iOS. While it can only run on their own devices they will have to compete with Nokia, Motorola, Samsung, HTC etc., all of which suddenly have access to a very capable OS with almost zero development lead-time. It's the silicon valley war all over again. Apple innovated but remained closed and the free-market IBM-compatible personal computer forced them out. You would have thought Steve Jobs would have learnt from his mistakes the first time out. Get ubiquitous, it's the only way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 26, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted July 26, 2010 the iPhone user as either a woman or naive and simplistic person Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Sorry but it's one of the only ways to combat this fanatical loyalty Apple seem to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 26, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted July 26, 2010 Personal insults? Good for you. I'll be expecting the fall of Apple any day now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Everyone with an interest in driving technology forward has to thank Apple and more specifically, Steve Jobs. The iPhone implementation was a kick up the arse of the mobile ecosystem, and even though Android was around first it wouldn't have been anything like it is today without the competition provided by Apple. As it is, Apple have already lost their war. The only way for them to remain relevant now is to open iOS. While it can only run on their own devices they will have to compete with Nokia, Motorola, Samsung, HTC etc., all of which suddenly have access to a very capable OS with almost zero development lead-time. It's the silicon valley war all over again. Apple innovated but remained closed and the free-market IBM-compatible personal computer forced them out. You would have thought Steve Jobs would have learnt from his mistakes the first time out. Get ubiquitous, it's the only way. Oh we all know Apple are amazing innovators and have really outdone themselves with the creation of the iPhone. But they outright refuse to make their world open. My worry is they sign up developers for exclusivity and so we end up seeing apps only for iPhone and iPad which is to the detriment of the smartphone community. It's fundamentally wrong what Apple do and it really is a huge problem for me how much total loyalty and dedication they seem to have from their customers. Apple while at first the innovator then spend the rest of their days holding the industry back and forcing people to eternally pay for the innovative product the brought to market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Personal insults? Good for you. I'll be expecting the fall of Apple any day now. You're right, there was no need for that. I'm sorry. I just got frustrated, I just really dislike what Apple do is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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