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Would you take 4th place or 5th plus League Cup?


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5th plus league cup or 4th?  

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  1. 1. 5th plus league cup or 4th?

    • 5th plus League Cup - we need to win something
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    • 4th - Champions League is everything
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Same as the last poll. 4th every time!

We currently have a very strong squad, excellent backups and talent coming through. It'd only take one season of finishing 4th to attract a few classy players to maintain that position and move Villa to a different level.

I'd sacrifice one year of Silverware for this. Everytime.

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Ideally both, but I'd settle for beating citeh or united in a cup final everytime, and then proceeding to finish above citeh, who finish 6th or 7th.

At the end of the day, only one of those four sides can make the 4th spot, so three of Spurs, Scouse Citeh and us are going to end up disappointed anyway. I'd take the league cup if I had to make the choice. 5th would still see us finish above 2 of those sides.

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I'd be happy with either obviously. The thing about 4th is, as said, it's not guarenteeing CL football. Also, I don't think we're quite there yet as goes that standard, so it might be an Everton style one off. But if we did do it it's a big achievement.

It'd be nice to win something too. I'd probably go for the trophy and continue building the side so once we get 4th, we'll be in a better position to make sure we compete long term in that position.

If we could get 4th and then miraculously buy a lot of quality and get it all to work instantly and long term, then I'd take 4th, but I just don't see that happening.

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I would intuitively say 4th spot as CL allows you to build, but a lot depends upon Randy's agenda. If he has the money to build and get in a couple of quality players with CL promised then I would stick with this view but if, as Everton did, we couldn't take that next step due to lack of funding then maybe a cup would be better.

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I'd probably go for the trophy and continue building the side so once we get 4th, we'll be in a better position to make sure we compete long term in that position.

How does winning a trophy put you in a better position to compete long term?

I see your points and agree that finishing 4th doesn't automatically give you CL football.. But I would have thought that finishing 4th would attract a higher class of player (not a Torres or a Rooney but someone who has the potential to be one) than winning the League Cup would..

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I'm sticking to my initial answer. I'd rather have 5th (or 6th for that matter) place along with winning the LC. That to me would be a successful season and we have clearly made progress. It will take a while longer before we are regular top four challengers in my opinion. We may never be though, due to the fact that the other clubs going for those positions have so much money.

4th place doesn't guarantee us anything to be fair. Plus it doesn't mean we will get better players. Let's face the facts aswell, we wouldn't go far if we did qualify for the CL group stages. We need to maintain our top six finishes and attract higher calibre players by that means.

Some people seem to be expecting far too much. I really don't think we will finish in the top four this season, although I would be so happy to be proven wrong. I just don't think we are there yet. We are getting closer though and if we keep building then the sky is the limit.

For these reasons I would rather finish 5th (or 6th) and win the LC. It's been far too long since we last had a trophy....

Just realised my post is pretty similar to what Chindie said. :D

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Both would be great seasons but in terms of actual achievement as a club, future of the club, it has to be 4th.

I mean, for me pipping Liverpool, Tottenham, Man City over a 38 game season meaning we have a CHANCE of qualifying (1 round against teams we really are better than) is like winning a cup.

We've beat Cardiff, Sunderland, Portsmouth and if we beat Blackburn and then the final Man City/Man United. I think 4th place is more of an achivement and what the club wants more than anything.

We really need 4th in order to progress or we'll be stuck in the same position for a long time and eventually Randy might think "hey, we're not going anywhere, I'm going"....Our goal as a club is to finish in the top 4 isn't it in terms of what Randy and Mon want to do, the sooner the better.

A chance of more money, better players and a better chance to becoming an elite club.

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And can people stop comparing us to fecking Everton, The situation is completly different.

They had the likes of Hibbert, Pistone, Weir, Simon Davies, Carsley, Beattie, Mcfadden regularly playing for them at that point and also had no money to invest in very good players.

We have a good squad and finances which means if we did get in, we could attract those better players and also a good enough to compete and even do well in the competition.

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And can people stop comparing us to fecking Everton, The situation is completly different.

No it isn't. I think you're overrating our team a little against some very decent European sides who have experience in the competition recently. We are a better side than that Everton side, yes, but finishing fourth won't guarentee that top players will want to come here.

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The feeling of sacrificing a trophy this season because fourth would mean more trophys in future seems to me to be rather flawed thinking.

Liverpool and Arsenal have finished in the top four every year since 2005 but neither have won a trophy since then, and these are top sides who we're trying to match.

You can't pick and choose when you win a trophy. It's fourteen years since our last silverware and it may well be a similar time before we are close again, nothing is certain.

I can tell you how many times we've won the League, FA Cup, League Cup, European Cup and European Super Cup but I couldn't tell you how many times we've finished fourth.

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And can people stop comparing us to fecking Everton, The situation is completly different.

No it isn't. I think you're overrating our team a little against some very decent European sides who have experience in the competition recently. We are a better side than that Everton side, yes, but finishing fourth won't guarentee that top players will want to come here.

Yes there are decent sides and of course they're going to be tricky games but the teams we could face in the qualifier, only 3 teams I'd say are outright better than us, there are other hard games but no teams we'd fear.

Also of course it wouldn't guarentee top players will come but it certainly make players who possibly wouldn't of signed for us, definately consider because Champions League is where everyone wants to play.

and Everton side facing Villareal (Everton finished 15th/16th during this season I believe or somewhere low...might be a couple places out)

Martyn, Hibbert, Yobo, Weir, Pistone (McFadden 80), Cahill, Arteta, Neville, Davies, Kilbane (Ferguson 62), Beattie (Bent 63).

Subs Not Used: Wright, Kroldrup, Li Tie, Osman.

Friedel, Young, Dunne, Collins, Warnock, Downing, Milner, Petrov, Young, Gabby, Heskey.

The difference in quality is quite some distance IMO.

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