villahero Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Have you been with Raoul Moat ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparey16 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 In regards to the exam questions/paper before the exam, course i would bloody look. If there wasnt a chance of getting caught, then why not. Its only helping you out in achieving the better grades. Infact, i seen one of my a-level papers before the exam anyway. OCR History. It was a 3-hour case study exam, split into 3 different days/times. So Monday - 30mins, Thursday - 1.30hr, following Tuesday - 1hr. But OCR had put it on the internet on the Thursday before my first section, so all of my class had seen the paper before we sat the first bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 I'd take a brighter future personally. What the ****? Anyway of the 7 people i've talked too about this, 1 of them on here, 6 said if the paper was available to see some of the questions before hand, they would do it too. I'd guess that they were your friends and peers. People often tend to surround themselves with people who 'think' (and I'm being kind there) in a similar vein. I'm guessing it's mainly to do with the fact people who want to do Uni would want to give themselves an even better chance rather than say missing out by a grade and then having nothing planned in your life to do and having to re-sit the whole year again to do the exam and waste a year of their lives. Hmmmmmm. I think you make it out as if people are using photographic memory to write perfect answers. I'm only talking about looking at a few questions before. Which to be fair, we usually know what is coming up on a paper anyway so it wouldn't make a huge difference. Teachers usually know. No, I'm making it out that you think it's fine to cheat; that you are quite happy to help other people cheat (even knowing that it is potentially a very serious offence) and that your posts suggest that you have very little, if any, understanding and awareness of morals and decency. The fact that you are still trying to justify your attitude and that you think it is fine just reinforces that. I'd suggest you leave it there because, in my view, you are digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole. You've admitted that you are a cheat, you've admitted that you would like to cheat on your own exams, you think that exams are too difficult because they might actually test someone's knowledge of a subject (boo hoo) and you think that doing something wrong in order to (potentially) benefit yourself is perfectly okay. As I maintain, an utterly disgraceful attitude and I hope you and your friend fail every exam/test on which you cheat. I do hope, however, that you don't suffer in your 'brighter future' as the result of someone else who has cheated in the way that you think is okay. Edit: 2 VT'ers my age, have also said they would look at a paper before hand..... That only goes to show that they have the same disgraceful attitude that you have shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparey16 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 One of the '2 VT'ers' was me Snowy. I dont think i have a 'disgraceful attitude' just because i would take the chance to give myself an advantage, however unfair on others that may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 See above Snowy. Maybe if you was at our age in our "moment"....you'd understand a little better. I understand you probably once were and maybe one day when we are your age, we might change our thoughts but that is.... 2 out of 2 VT'ers sitting A-Levels who would look and I'm sure he don't mind me saying, 3 out of 3 including Milfner who was speaking to me about it the other day on facebook. I have admitted I'm a cheat? I'm not a cheat because I've never done it but given the chance I would. Meh. I'm just living in the real world. You are living on land "nicey nice".. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaretMahoney Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 No I didn't die, I just went on holiday in Africa ladies and gents. In Cape Town now, head to Lesotho tomorrow. Here is the blog in case you were bored with VT and porn (is that possible, actually?) and wanted to do some light reading and photo viewing.... Hope all is well, oh and can someone explain in a nutshell what the above argument is about?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 No I didn't die, I just went on holiday in Africa ladies and gents. In Cape Town now, head to Lesotho tomorrow. Here is the blog in case you were bored with VT and porn (is that possible, actually?) and wanted to do some light reading and photo viewing.... Hope all is well, oh and can someone explain in a nutshell what the above argument is about?? Very nice and basically.....at A-Levels, if you had the chance to look at the paper your taking a couple days before, would you? I said yes as it would help, as have others my age...while Snowy has basically said it's disgraceful attitude and cheating... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 8, 2010 Author VT Supporter Share Posted July 8, 2010 Joe, I'd look if I thought I was going to fail. I'd hope I wouldn't get into that position. I'd think I'd be ready by the time the exam fell into my hands. but if I wasn't, and I thought I was going to fail, then hand on heart I'd probably look at what questions were coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaretMahoney Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Hmmm difficult decision but I don't think there is anything immoral about "cheating". If you indeed do consider it cheating than it must be of oneself. But as long as you remember the material post exam/paper and retain the knowledge that is necessary in the course then I say go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 8, 2010 Moderator Share Posted July 8, 2010 That's not really true as both those standpoints are not mutually exclusive. It is possible to think something disgraceful and cheating while still taking a sneaky peaky. The difference was in whether you should do it. Snowy say no, you say aye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaretMahoney Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 GO take a look at the rogue gallery people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Joe, I'd look if I thought I was going to fail. I'd hope I wouldn't get into that position. I'd think I'd be ready by the time the exam fell into my hands. but if I wasn't, and I thought I was going to fail, then hand on heart I'd probably look at what questions were coming up. Well that's the main problem. People are going to in these exams, needing certain grades to get into UNI, parents expectations, yourself wanting to achieve of course and then you go into exams and around exam time, it gets "panick time" from personal experience, you are revising everything, hoping the paper comes up with the questions you want. People setting up accomodation for Uni, now just needing the grades, it's borderline whether they get in, I don't think it's so suprising that most (in my opinion) would look at questions unless as you say, they are super confident and prepared. Anyway, I am running a poll on this on the Student Room, currently 4-1 (to yes they would look) http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1331526 Edit: 7-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 One of the '2 VT'ers' was me Snowy. I dont think i have a 'disgraceful attitude' just because i would take the chance to give myself an advantage, however unfair on others that may be. AKA cheating. shame on you, James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Joe, I'd look if I thought I was going to fail. I'd hope I wouldn't get into that position. I'd think I'd be ready by the time the exam fell into my hands. but if I wasn't, and I thought I was going to fail, then hand on heart I'd probably look at what questions were coming up. Well that's the main problem. People are going to in these exams, needing certain grades to get into UNI, parents expectations, yourself wanting to achieve of course and then you go into exams and around exam time, it gets "panick time" from personal experience, you are revising everything, hoping the paper comes up with the questions you want. People setting up accomodation for Uni, now just needing the grades, it's borderline whether they get in, I don't think it's so suprising that most (in my opinion) would look at questions unless as you say, they are super confident and prepared. Anyway, I am running a poll on this on the Student Room, currently 4-1 (to yes they would look) http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1331526 Edit: 7-1. I presume you also wouldn't mind if a few hundred people got to see the paper early by mistake, cheated and got better grades than you causing you to miss out on a uni place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 cheat (cheat) verb 1 act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage: she always cheats at cards gain an advantage over or deprive of something by using unfair or deceitful methods; defraud: he had cheated her out of everything she had noun a person who behaves dishonestly in order to gain an advantage. Whichever way you look at it, and however you try to justify it, it's clearly cheating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 8, 2010 Moderator Share Posted July 8, 2010 I think people (mainly those in favour of cheating) are trying to argue that 'you'd do it too'. That doesn't change the fact that it is still cheating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 I presume you also wouldn't mind if a few hundred people got to see the paper early by mistake, cheated and got better grades than you causing you to miss out on a uni place? I reckon POB may be of the view that cheating is fine so long as it's him (or him and his mates) doing the cheating .... :shock: I'm sure he wouldn't take the same lax view of others were cheating at his expense, but who knows. maybe we've misjudged him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Joe, I'd look if I thought I was going to fail. I'd hope I wouldn't get into that position. I'd think I'd be ready by the time the exam fell into my hands. but if I wasn't, and I thought I was going to fail, then hand on heart I'd probably look at what questions were coming up. Well that's the main problem. People are going to in these exams, needing certain grades to get into UNI, parents expectations, yourself wanting to achieve of course and then you go into exams and around exam time, it gets "panick time" from personal experience, you are revising everything, hoping the paper comes up with the questions you want. People setting up accomodation for Uni, now just needing the grades, it's borderline whether they get in, I don't think it's so suprising that most (in my opinion) would look at questions unless as you say, they are super confident and prepared. Anyway, I am running a poll on this on the Student Room, currently 4-1 (to yes they would look) http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1331526 Edit: 7-1. I presume you also wouldn't mind if a few hundred people got to see the paper early by mistake, cheated and got better grades than you causing you to miss out on a uni place? Of course i'd be annoyed but not at the people who looked as i'd do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 8, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted July 8, 2010 Cheating is lower than a snakes belly, as I said before, and also as I said before, I hope you and your cheating friends fail miserably. Your friend you helped cheat, should he be going to university, has almost certainly done someone else out a place they probably deserve. Disgraceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 were only talking about looking at questions not answers arent we? Sure it helps to research your answer but you've still got to provide the information and format your points. Im guessing this isnt in relation to multiple choice answers or something, on that basis i think its ok and isnt really any different to being told what subject matter to research by a teacher anyway, which as i remember it is how it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts