Summer Transfer Window (2024/25)

[Zatman]

Cash is a better right back than Frimpong. Frimpong is a better wing back

[zab6359]

5 hours ago, paul514 said:

Ok this will be a long post but I will try and break it up a bit so it is more readable....

These are the players I would sell/release in the summer all figures are in euros and from Transfermarkt.

The amortized value is what he costs us per year on the accounts and the book value is the total amount of amortization left until he he has a value of zero for FFP. This means for an FFP profit on a player he must be sold for more than his book value.

I also think it is worth mentioning how these values are worked out.... lets say we sign a player on a 5 year contract for 50m. After 3 years we sign him to a new 5 year contract this means for the first 3 years he is with us he amortizes at 10m per year making his book value 20m when he signs a 5 year extension to his contract.
He will then amortize at 4m per year for the next five years. I hope that is simple to understand.

Lenglet - End of loan

Zaniolo - End of loan

Chambers - 29 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal brought for 0m, 

House - 29 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal brought for 3.4m, I don't have exact FFP figures for him as I didn't know the length of his first contract with us but it will be a negligible amount of amortisation left

Carlos - 31 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal brought for 31m
He is amortizing at 7.75m per year and his book value in the summer will be 15.5m

Digne - 31in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 30m.
He is amortizing at 6.66m per year and has a book value of 13.33m

Cash - 27 in the summer, 3 years left on his deal, brought for 15.75m
He is amortizing at 1.58m per year and has a book value of 4.74m

Dendonker - 29 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 15m
He is amortizing at 3.75m per year and has a book value of 7.5m

Sanson - 30 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal, brought for 15.8 million euros
He is amortizing at 3.95m per year as he only has one year left on his deal his book value is also 3.95m

Coutinho - 32 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 20 million euros
He is amortizing at 5m per year and has a book value of 10m

Watkins - 28 (29 in december), 4 years left on his deal, brought for 34 million euros
He is amortizing at 2.72m per year and has a book value of 10.88m

 

The total amortization per year of all the players mentioned is 31.41m Euros which is 26.9m Pounds
The total book value of all the players mentioned is 65.9m Euros which is 56.4m Pounds

My aim would be to cut the fat off the squad and then trying to bring in a smaller amount higher quality players as a whole without breaking FFP restrictions and (Hopefully) reducing the wage bill as PSR (profit and sustainability rules) is changing meaning we have to bring our wage bill down to 70% of our revenue within a couple of years.

The price tags for my suggestions are from media reported figures or their release figure.
The links are for their transfermarkt profile and their scouting report from FBREF for their data.

Jean-Clair Todibo, 24 - Centre back,  Nice, 35m

I want this player as he is a lot like Pau Torres and we have all seen how much we missed him whilst he was injured taking the ball out of defence and his skill with progressive passes. He will be genuine competition for Konsa and will probably win out in that race.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jean-clair-todibo/profil/spieler/605184
https://fbref.com/en/players/88f130ed/scout/365_m1/Jean-Clair-Todibo-Scouting-Report

 

Adrien Truffert, 22 - Left back, Rennes, 20m

I think this guy is already as good as what we already have but he has a high ceiling and time on his side to reach that potential. 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/adrien-truffert/profil/spieler/654539
https://fbref.com/en/players/5d0e0a1f/scout/365_m1/Adrien-Truffert-Scouting-Report

 

Jeremie Frimpong, 23 - Right back (YES HE IS ONE), Leverkusen, 38m (Release Clause)

Straight in for first choice, the guy is excellent at going forward and at least as good as Cash defensively, he can play right back, right wing back or even in midfield. I expect this would be a hard signing for us to make.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jeremie-frimpong/profil/spieler/484547
https://fbref.com/en/players/74f2e748/scout/365_m1/Jeremie-Frimpong-Scouting-Report

 

Martin Zubimendi, 25, - DCM, Sociedad, 52m (Release Clause)

I could be persuaded to sign a different DCM as this one will be hard to sign and expensive. 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/martin-zubimendi/profil/spieler/423440
https://fbref.com/en/players/3ee0dd59/Martin-Zubimendi

 

Jonathan David, 24 - Striker, Lille, 40m

As you all know the striker market is difficult, but this is where most of the FFP profit comes from in my suggestions. I picked him as he should be relatively straight forward for us to pick up, he plays somewhat similarly to Watkins but he is not a carbon copy. His record last year was excellent and his data for this year is very good. If he had more shooting opportunities then his numbers would be much higher.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jonathan-david/profil/spieler/533738
https://fbref.com/en/players/ce50fd99/scout/365_m1/Jonathan-David-Scouting-Report

So according to the figures I have used for purchasing these players that is 185m Pounds.

I can't know if we could get them to sign a 5 year or 4 year contract so I am going to list both and it would probably be somewhere in between.

So the 185m amortized over 5 years would be 37m per year or over 4 years it would be 46.25m

As the suggested sales/released are amortizing at 26.9m Pounds my suggestions increase amortization by 19.35m per year over what it is currently (assuming the worst case scenario of 4 year contracts for everyone) but I think if we sold all those players whose book value currently is 56.4m we would receive something like 150m with Watkins and Cash bringing in the bulk of that money. This would mean a 93.6m FFP profit on their book value allowing us to make these purchases as long as the owners inject the remaining cash (35m) into the club.

I think those players would effectively lock off all the defensive positions, all the central midfield positions, as far as I am concerned the forward positions, leaving small question marks over our wide midfield positions (the Ramsey/McGinn roles but Tielemans can play there as can Buendia) and our striker position (will David work out? Is Duran a good back up?). That could be reassessed in the following summer. It also brings down the age of the squad significantly whilst having better prospects of resale value in the future over the current players.
How much higher could Watkins value be in the future given he would be 29 the summer after soon to turn 30 for example. This is how we get to spend lots on players

Even if you don't agree with some or all of my suggestions, I hope you can see the value of a post like this that explains a bit what clubs are having to deal with when it comes to spending with FFP and PSR rules.
 

Thanks for posting.

Moving 11 players on is a huge task!

[Leeroy]

4 hours ago, paul514 said:

Ok this will be a long post but I will try and break it up a bit so it is more readable....

These are the players I would sell/release in the summer all figures are in euros and from Transfermarkt.

The amortized value is what he costs us per year on the accounts and the book value is the total amount of amortization left until he he has a value of zero for FFP. This means for an FFP profit on a player he must be sold for more than his book value.

I also think it is worth mentioning how these values are worked out.... lets say we sign a player on a 5 year contract for 50m. After 3 years we sign him to a new 5 year contract this means for the first 3 years he is with us he amortizes at 10m per year making his book value 20m when he signs a 5 year extension to his contract.
He will then amortize at 4m per year for the next five years. I hope that is simple to understand.

Lenglet - End of loan

Zaniolo - End of loan

Chambers - 29 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal brought for 0m, 

House - 29 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal brought for 3.4m, I don't have exact FFP figures for him as I didn't know the length of his first contract with us but it will be a negligible amount of amortisation left

Carlos - 31 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal brought for 31m
He is amortizing at 7.75m per year and his book value in the summer will be 15.5m

Digne - 31in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 30m.
He is amortizing at 6.66m per year and has a book value of 13.33m

Cash - 27 in the summer, 3 years left on his deal, brought for 15.75m
He is amortizing at 1.58m per year and has a book value of 4.74m

Dendonker - 29 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 15m
He is amortizing at 3.75m per year and has a book value of 7.5m

Sanson - 30 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal, brought for 15.8 million euros
He is amortizing at 3.95m per year as he only has one year left on his deal his book value is also 3.95m

Coutinho - 32 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 20 million euros
He is amortizing at 5m per year and has a book value of 10m

Watkins - 28 (29 in december), 4 years left on his deal, brought for 34 million euros
He is amortizing at 2.72m per year and has a book value of 10.88m

 

The total amortization per year of all the players mentioned is 31.41m Euros which is 26.9m Pounds
The total book value of all the players mentioned is 65.9m Euros which is 56.4m Pounds

My aim would be to cut the fat off the squad and then trying to bring in a smaller amount higher quality players as a whole without breaking FFP restrictions and (Hopefully) reducing the wage bill as PSR (profit and sustainability rules) is changing meaning we have to bring our wage bill down to 70% of our revenue within a couple of years.

The price tags for my suggestions are from media reported figures or their release figure.
The links are for their transfermarkt profile and their scouting report from FBREF for their data.

Jean-Clair Todibo, 24 - Centre back,  Nice, 35m

I want this player as he is a lot like Pau Torres and we have all seen how much we missed him whilst he was injured taking the ball out of defence and his skill with progressive passes. He will be genuine competition for Konsa and will probably win out in that race.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jean-clair-todibo/profil/spieler/605184
https://fbref.com/en/players/88f130ed/scout/365_m1/Jean-Clair-Todibo-Scouting-Report

 

Adrien Truffert, 22 - Left back, Rennes, 20m

I think this guy is already as good as what we already have but he has a high ceiling and time on his side to reach that potential. 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/adrien-truffert/profil/spieler/654539
https://fbref.com/en/players/5d0e0a1f/scout/365_m1/Adrien-Truffert-Scouting-Report

 

Jeremie Frimpong, 23 - Right back (YES HE IS ONE), Leverkusen, 38m (Release Clause)

Straight in for first choice, the guy is excellent at going forward and at least as good as Cash defensively, he can play right back, right wing back or even in midfield. I expect this would be a hard signing for us to make.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jeremie-frimpong/profil/spieler/484547
https://fbref.com/en/players/74f2e748/scout/365_m1/Jeremie-Frimpong-Scouting-Report

 

Martin Zubimendi, 25, - DCM, Sociedad, 52m (Release Clause)

I could be persuaded to sign a different DCM as this one will be hard to sign and expensive. 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/martin-zubimendi/profil/spieler/423440
https://fbref.com/en/players/3ee0dd59/Martin-Zubimendi

 

Jonathan David, 24 - Striker, Lille, 40m

As you all know the striker market is difficult, but this is where most of the FFP profit comes from in my suggestions. I picked him as he should be relatively straight forward for us to pick up, he plays somewhat similarly to Watkins but he is not a carbon copy. His record last year was excellent and his data for this year is very good. If he had more shooting opportunities then his numbers would be much higher.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jonathan-david/profil/spieler/533738
https://fbref.com/en/players/ce50fd99/scout/365_m1/Jonathan-David-Scouting-Report

So according to the figures I have used for purchasing these players that is 185m Pounds.

I can't know if we could get them to sign a 5 year or 4 year contract so I am going to list both and it would probably be somewhere in between.

So the 185m amortized over 5 years would be 37m per year or over 4 years it would be 46.25m

As the suggested sales/released are amortizing at 26.9m Pounds my suggestions increase amortization by 19.35m per year over what it is currently (assuming the worst case scenario of 4 year contracts for everyone) but I think if we sold all those players whose book value currently is 56.4m we would receive something like 150m with Watkins and Cash bringing in the bulk of that money. This would mean a 93.6m FFP profit on their book value allowing us to make these purchases as long as the owners inject the remaining cash (35m) into the club.

I think those players would effectively lock off all the defensive positions, all the central midfield positions, as far as I am concerned the forward positions, leaving small question marks over our wide midfield positions (the Ramsey/McGinn roles but Tielemans can play there as can Buendia) and our striker position (will David work out? Is Duran a good back up?). That could be reassessed in the following summer. It also brings down the age of the squad significantly whilst having better prospects of resale value in the future over the current players.
How much higher could Watkins value be in the future given he would be 29 the summer after soon to turn 30 for example. This is how we get to spend lots on players

Even if you don't agree with some or all of my suggestions, I hope you can see the value of a post like this that explains a bit what clubs are having to deal with when it comes to spending with FFP and PSR rules.
 

I agree with most of this except I wouldn't sell Ollie which I think is a bold move. It could work and I can see why you might suggest it, but if David flops then we are in a bit of a mess. David is technically better though and if he settled in the Prem quickly we might even be better off, but it's a big gamble. I also want to see Ollie break Gabby's golscoring record. For FFP purposes I think we'd be better off selling a midfielder like Ramsey or even McGinn (depending on how much money we got) but I respect your opinion. 

 

I like the suggestions of the other players, Spurs were close to signing Todibo in January so I think that's a deal that could be done for around £30m. Truffert I don't think would cost too much and could improve a lot under Emery. Frimpong and Zubimendi we would have lots of competition for, personally I think Dumfries and Palacios are similar types of player and more realistic but if we managed to get Frimpong and Zubimendi then we would have had a great window. 

[Leeroy]

4 hours ago, Kiwivillan said:

He's not played full back for several seasons. RM in a 343 is not full back. His defensive numbers compared to Cash and other FBs are poor. 

Tackles and Interceptions bottom 3% of FBs Cash 87% and 41%

 

He started his career off as a right back, he was trained at City there, Leverkusen just play him in a more advanced position because he's brilliant going forward, hence why his defensive numbers are lower.

 

I'd say he's an attacking right back or right wing back but I wouldn't classify him as a right winger or right midfielder.

[Kiwivillan]

5 hours ago, paul514 said:

Why would you expect his defensive data to be the same as Cash when he isn't playing the same role? Regardless, I have watched him for years, he is a right back

All good. People obsessed about him on here for several windows yet he'll likely be a target of several European teams that have FFP wiggle room and can pay him double wages what we would

[Zatman]

18 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said:

All good. People obsessed about him on here for several windows yet he'll likely be a target of several European teams that have FFP wiggle room and can pay him double wages what we would

Frimpong will end up at Bayerm with that release clause and its a team he can get away with playing right back

[Zatman]

Watkins is also a much superior player than Jonathan David in nearly all ways.

Would be a backwards gamble and has looked uncomfortable in Europe and the World Cup against better defenders. Has a bit of a Timo Werner about him

 

[villa4europe]

46 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Frimpong will end up at Bayerm with that release clause and its a team he can get away with playing right back

They have the Moroccan fella and signed a new RB in Jan (and then played him at LB...) 

[Zatman]

24 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

They have the Moroccan fella and signed a new RB in Jan (and then played him at LB...) 

Ah i knew they wanted one in January as wanted Trippier

[villa4europe]

2 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Ah i knew they wanted one in January as wanted Trippier

Don't know anything about him, kid called Boey that they signed from gala for about £15m

[ender4]

8 hours ago, paul514 said:

Chambers - 29 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal brought for 0m, 

House - 29 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal brought for 3.4m, I don't have exact FFP figures for him as I didn't know the length of his first contract with us but it will be a negligible amount of amortisation left

Carlos - 31 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal brought for 31m
He is amortizing at 7.75m per year and his book value in the summer will be 15.5m

Digne - 31in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 30m.
He is amortizing at 6.66m per year and has a book value of 13.33m

Cash - 27 in the summer, 3 years left on his deal, brought for 15.75m
He is amortizing at 1.58m per year and has a book value of 4.74m

Dendonker - 29 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 15m
He is amortizing at 3.75m per year and has a book value of 7.5m

Sanson - 30 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal, brought for 15.8 million euros
He is amortizing at 3.95m per year as he only has one year left on his deal his book value is also 3.95m

Coutinho - 32 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 20 million euros
He is amortizing at 5m per year and has a book value of 10m

Watkins - 28 (29 in december), 4 years left on his deal, brought for 34 million euros
He is amortizing at 2.72m per year and has a book value of 10.88m

The age profile of these players is worrying - makes it much harder to sell for book value.

I agree we need to get rid of them all EXCEPT Watkins, though i do see what you're saying about his age and therefore this is his peak value right now.

[paul514]

4 hours ago, Leeroy said:

I agree with most of this except I wouldn't sell Ollie which I think is a bold move. It could work and I can see why you might suggest it, but if David flops then we are in a bit of a mess. David is technically better though and if he settled in the Prem quickly we might even be better off, but it's a big gamble. I also want to see Ollie break Gabby's golscoring record. For FFP purposes I think we'd be better off selling a midfielder like Ramsey or even McGinn (depending on how much money we got) but I respect your opinion. 

 

I like the suggestions of the other players, Spurs were close to signing Todibo in January so I think that's a deal that could be done for around £30m. Truffert I don't think would cost too much and could improve a lot under Emery. Frimpong and Zubimendi we would have lots of competition for, personally I think Dumfries and Palacios are similar types of player and more realistic but if we managed to get Frimpong and Zubimendi then we would have had a great window. 

I do have a bias to admit.

i am one of those people who want to sort everything else before the forwards as I believe that if you control everything behind them and create a lot then whoever plays up front will score. We wouldn’t get enough money from selling just one of those two players as you need to leave loads of FFP room for the season after when they amortise again.

Davids data was excellent he just isn’t taking enough shots which is probably his clubs fault, take a look at the fbref link and it becomes obvious.

I could be persuaded otherwise on the RB and DCM, the other three would be nailed on. Geertruida, would be my second pick for RB.

https://fbref.com/en/players/242e1043/scout/365_m2/Lutsharel-Geertruida-Scouting-Report

my trouble with a DCM was that I didn’t just want a ball winner, I wanted someone who can pass and come out of tight positions like Kamara can

Edited February 23 by paul514

[paul514]

4 hours ago, Leeroy said:

He started his career off as a right back, he was trained at City there, Leverkusen just play him in a more advanced position because he's brilliant going forward, hence why his defensive numbers are lower.

 

I'd say he's an attacking right back or right wing back but I wouldn't classify him as a right winger or right midfielder.

He has been playing this super attacking role for only 18 months

[paul514]

4 hours ago, Kiwivillan said:

All good. People obsessed about him on here for several windows yet he'll likely be a target of several European teams that have FFP wiggle room and can pay him double wages what we would

Wages and fee wouldn't be a problem but you are right on the competition, everyone knows about that release clause and I would expect one or two of the 10 biggest clubs in the world to want him.

[paul514]

2 hours ago, villa4europe said:

Don't know anything about him, kid called Boey that they signed from gala for about £15m

They have that Mazzroui (spelt wrong too)

[paul514]

3 hours ago, Zatman said:

Watkins is also a much superior player than Jonathan David in nearly all ways.

Would be a backwards gamble and has looked uncomfortable in Europe and the World Cup against better defenders. Has a bit of a Timo Werner about him

 

Watkins is no gamble and David is because he doesn't play in England already. Check out David's data it is very impressive.

[paul514]

1 hour ago, ender4 said:

The age profile of these players is worrying - makes it much harder to sell for book value.

I agree we need to get rid of them all EXCEPT Watkins, though i do see what you're saying about his age and therefore this is his peak value right now.

Personally I think the only one we don't get the book value for is Coutinho. I can see Dendonker being sold for 10, Digne and Carlos 15.

The age profile of a squad is key though if you want to play the FFP game and recycling money on fresh younger players.

I knew Watkins would be the one on my list that no one wants to sell but in the scenario laid out it is either him or Luis. IMO Luis would be harder to replace, he is younger and getting a midfielder to fit is harder IMO

[Zatman]

11 minutes ago, paul514 said:

Watkins is no gamble and David is because he doesn't play in England already. Check out David's data it is very impressive.

I have watched him play and has never impressed me to think he would succeed in a top 8 team. His technique isnt great and his finishing is weak. Be decent for a Palace or West Ham

[villa4europe]

27 minutes ago, paul514 said:

They have that Mazzroui (spelt wrong too)

That's why I called him the Moroccan fella

Not seen that much of him as seemingly every time I've watched them he's been injured or suspended or not stood out but I thought he was regarded as one of the best RBs going along with the other Moroccan fella

[TRO]

21 hours ago, paul514 said:

I do have a bias to admit.

i am one of those people who want to sort everything else before the forwards as I believe that if you control everything behind them and create a lot then whoever plays up front will score. We wouldn’t get enough money from selling just one of those two players as you need to leave loads of FFP room for the season after when they amortise again.

Davids data was excellent he just isn’t taking enough shots which is probably his clubs fault, take a look at the fbref link and it becomes obvious.

I could be persuaded otherwise on the RB and DCM, the other three would be nailed on. Geertruida, would be my second pick for RB.

https://fbref.com/en/players/242e1043/scout/365_m2/Lutsharel-Geertruida-Scouting-Report

my trouble with a DCM was that I didn’t just want a ball winner, I wanted someone who can pass and come out of tight positions like Kamara can

The better ones do.....That's where we are now.

The problem is, asking for a ball winner, some interpret that as a thug with an attitude.....and others think a Rodri or Rice, is beyond our reach.....so the right ones get dismissed.

I was surprised, when we got Kamara, because of the above..... we had been waiting some time, for a player, like him.

some folk seem to think all midfielders are the same.....when in fact there are different types of football bias, from them....I.e Kamara and Tielemans are both midfielders, but they are different.....I don't see that expressed, or highlighted,  that often.

We need another one, to compete with BK.

PS He seems a good shout Paul.

Edited February 24 by TRO