ferguson1 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 minute ago, VillaChris said: It was a penalty. And rules are still red card for handball on the line last time I checked. Mitro going ape s**t at ref is where Fulham lost the tie they were in control of. Never said it wasn’t a pen but that it’s United being United! Always find a way to win a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Just now, ferguson1 said: Never said it wasn’t a pen but that it’s United being United! Always find a way to win a game. I think this was more Fulham hitting the self destruct button. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Just now, ferguson1 said: Never said it wasn’t a pen but that it’s United being United! Always find a way to win a game. They've won one FA cup in 19 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Genie said: I didn’t see too much wrong with the cards or the pen. I think it's a bit harsh, it's fairly close up, his arm is right in by his side. If it's given every time, fair enough, harsh but fair, but I would like to hear any explanation for how having your hand tucked down by your side is a penalty but not ours yesterday. The refs are a **** joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 minute ago, VillaChris said: They've won one FA cup in 19 years. Yes, ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 It reminded me of that time when Portugal lost late to France late on in euro 2000 when Xavier handballed on the line. Most obvious red card but all Portugese lost their minds and they ended up with about 8 men from one incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Just now, Davkaus said: I think it's a bit harsh, it's fairly close up, his arm is right in by his side. If it's given every time, fair enough, harsh but fair, but I would like to hear any explanation for how having your hand tucked down by your side is a penalty but not ours yesterday. The refs are a **** joke. It's always a red card if it's on the line though as that's still classed as deliberate handball as it stops a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I think it's a bit harsh, it's fairly close up, his arm is right in by his side. If it's given every time, fair enough, harsh but fair, but I would like to hear any explanation for how having your hand tucked down by your side is a penalty but not ours yesterday. The refs are a **** joke. It looks to be outside of his body, if it doesn’t hit his hand then it goes in the goal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Just now, VillaChris said: It's always a red card if it's on the line though as that's still classed as deliberate handball as it stops a goal. A handball is a handball, the DOGSO decision is entirely separate. They can't seem to make their mind up what a "natural position is". The actual red card rule has nothing to do with it being on the line, btw, it's for denying a goalscoring opportunity, so strictly speaking, so was yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mantis Posted March 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2023 United always get lots of decisions going their way but in fairness the right decisions were made. The issue is more the inconsistency - that a handball even more blatant (albeit much further away from the line) for example in our game yesterday wasn't given. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Genie said: It looks to be outside of his body, if it doesn’t hit his hand then it goes in the goal. I don't think that arm could be any closer to his torso without fisting himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Genie said: It looks to be outside of his body, if it doesn’t hit his hand then it goes in the goal. Yep Of course same situation with us yesterday, if it hadn't hit the players arm it goes in. It's the inconsistency that sucks balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 For the record if one of our players did what Mitrovic did I'd want them gone at the earliest opportunity. Totally unprofessional. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: I don't think that arm could be any closer to his torso without fisting himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: A handball is a handball, the DOGSO decision is entirely separate. They can't seem to make their mind up what a "natural position is". The actual red card rule has nothing to do with it being on the line, btw, it's for denying a goalscoring opportunity, so strictly speaking, so was yesterday Leno was out of the action though so that's the issue. Yesterday Neto was still in the goal and may have saved so Bournemouth player would never have been sent off even regardless of whether penalty should've been given (which it should). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Just now, picicata said: Yep Of course same situation with us yesterday, if it hadn't hit the players arm it goes in. It's the inconsistency that sucks balls. Yeah consistency is my beef here - though I think yesterday's was far more blatant as he's got both arms just thrown out to his side. The Fulham defender could have had his arm behind his back or something, but that's the definition of an arm being in a "natural position", for my money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 What happened to that sensible idea where they wouldn’t give a penalty AND red card (unless it was for violent conduct)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Just now, Genie said: What happened to that sensible idea where they wouldn’t give a penalty AND red card (unless it was for violent conduct)? That only applies to tackles if they're making an honest attempt for the ball The logic here is it's only a red for cynical deliberate actions. So for handball, obviously it is because the handball offence is a "deliberate" act, and they supported that with this "natural position" consideration so you shouldn't bve getting a red for an accidental handball, as it shouldn't be handball. But that applies only if VAR checks your shirt and sees you play for the scum 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Of course one issue I do have is Fernandes did same as Mitro at Anfield when he touched the assistant and didn't even get a talking to or referred to FA for retrospective punishment so that's a clear example of inconsistancy. He wouldn't be playing today for example if he'd got a red. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, Genie said: I didn’t see too much wrong with the cards or the pen. Neither do I - Willian prevented a goal by using his hand and Mitrovic was an utter dick, losing his head like that. No matter how bad Utd are playing they always seem to get a way back in 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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