Popular Post The Fun Factory Posted July 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2022 12 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Are we really a dour team though? I don’t get why people are saying this. I think we were better to watch under Smith. Whether that would have resulted in any more points or not is a different debate. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 I think we'll be better at everything bar set-pieces with Mings out the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 22, 2022 Author Share Posted July 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: Sticking with 2 strikers then. FFS...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: Konsa is in the main team ahead of Mings? No Buendia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 Pre season is just that but I'd be really disappointed if we continue to find reasons to not have Buendia starting this season too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 Maybe the whispers about prioritising a new striker over midfielder is due to the fact we plan to play with two upfront, for the most part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted July 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 22, 2022 16 hours ago, fruitvilla said: Premier League ball in play 2021-22 Team Minutes Seconds Manchester City 60 53 Tottenham Hotspur 57 2 Liverpool 57 0 Chelsea 56 39 Manchester United 56 26 West Ham 56 19 Wolves 56 9 Arsenal 56 1 Brighton 55 47 Leicester 55 21 Norwich 54 48 Crystal Palace 54 24 Watford 53 49 Everton 53 28 Brentford 53 10 Newcastle 52 58 Leeds 52 53 Burnley 52 47 Southampton 52 42 Aston Villa 52 23 Does football need a 60-minute 'stop-clock'? - BBC Sport Can't see spurs being there , in the game against us they wasted 10 minutes of the last 20 pissing about with throw ins and injuries , it was fantastic from them to kill the game but second in the table , who was on the stopwatch , Levy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 24 minutes ago, MaVilla said: Sticking with 2 strikers then. FFS...... tbf it was the more successful set up last season under Gerrard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 22, 2022 Author Share Posted July 22, 2022 23 minutes ago, tomsky_11 said: tbf it was the more successful set up last season under Gerrard Possibly, but that just shows the imbalance of our squad, no top team....or very few, play with two strikers these days. It's limiting for possession and Contool of the ball, I hoped we might move away from two strikers this season. Will wait and see ofc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 1 hour ago, tomsky_11 said: tbf it was the more successful set up last season under Gerrard Still one that led to naff performances on the whole. Not playing our best player is a bold strategy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 1 hour ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: Maybe the whispers about prioritising a new striker over midfielder is due to the fact we plan to play with two upfront, for the most part. It would make sense yep. The problem with this formation is he send the midfielders back to full back as the full backs trot off up front. It's such a bad formation the way he seems to implement it. May as well play Augustinsson there, that player will be sat at left back for most of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: It would make sense yep. The problem with this formation is he send the midfielders back to full back as the full backs trot off up front. It's such a bad formation the way he seems to implement it. May as well play Augustinsson there, that player will be sat at left back for most of the game. I remember reading on this forum, maybe even this thread. Someone had suggested playing full-backs as the two #8s, as they would be more comfortable covering the full back space. We could play Augustinsson and Young. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 22, 2022 Author Share Posted July 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, duke313 said: I remember reading on this forum, maybe even this thread. Someone had suggested playing full-backs as the two #8s, as they would be more comfortable covering the full back space. We could play Augustinsson and Young. The 8s play in the 8 role and move to LB and RB, to in theory give better ball retention and control in the first phase build up, while the actual left and right backs go forward to offer wide support. The idea is reasonable, but unfortunately we are trying to play like Liverpool with players that can't kick the ball in a straight line half the time, which negates using the 8s in the composed and controlled first phase build up. We need kamara/timmy type players if we want to play like that, not mcginn type players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 16 minutes ago, duke313 said: I remember reading on this forum, maybe even this thread. Someone had suggested playing full-backs as the two #8s, as they would be more comfortable covering the full back space. We could play Augustinsson and Young. The fact that is a feasible option is an indication the formation doesn't working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuL Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 I was interested to see how Beale has set up so far at QPR and it's similar to how he and Gerrard initially set up here. From the QPR website: QPR lined up in a 4-3-2-1 formation but Beale stressed that is likely to be adapted over the course of the coming campaign. “The formation will be very, very flexible,” he explained. “It will be a four (at the back) sometimes, three at others. It will be about getting the best players for each game on the pitch and playing in the right areas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Still one that led to naff performances on the whole. Not playing our best player is a bold strategy. Made this clear elsewhere but disagree. 1.55ppg with 2 strikers on, would be 59 points over a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 24 minutes ago, StuL said: I was interested to see how Beale has set up so far at QPR and it's similar to how he and Gerrard initially set up here. From the QPR website: QPR lined up in a 4-3-2-1 formation but Beale stressed that is likely to be adapted over the course of the coming campaign. “The formation will be very, very flexible,” he explained. “It will be a four (at the back) sometimes, three at others. It will be about getting the best players for each game on the pitch and playing in the right areas. Flexibility is good, but I don't think Gerrard has tried a three at the back at any point. A 3421 would give him exactly what he wants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 3 hours ago, MaVilla said: Possibly, but that just shows the imbalance of our squad, no top team....or very few, play with two strikers these days. It's limiting for possession and Contool of the ball, I hoped we might move away from two strikers this season. Will wait and see ofc. Don't think it neccessarily does or that just because other teams don't we shouldn't. If it gets results I'm fine with it. And ultimately either way, whether we have 2 or 1 striker we still end up with a 5 man offensive line, the only difference being two strikers and a '10' drifting around/between/behind them, rather that two '10's/inside forwards either side of a lone striker. Given our tendancy to look to create from wide with balls into the box I think the two strikers makes more sense. The goal against Brisbane seemed like a good example of this. On the possession/control thing, the midfield 3 are a much bigger deal than two strikers, especially the '6' that Kamara is likely to occupy, both when in possession and by way of winning possession back quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Flexibility is good, but I don't think Gerrard has tried a three at the back at any point. A 3421 would give him exactly what he wants. We'll practically have a back 3 at times this season I expect, with Kamara dropping inbetween the centre backs. The nominal formation is perhaps less meaningful than the variations we'll transition through in and out of possession. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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