Zatman Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 53 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Why havent notts county been asked to pay for security? I mean if wrexham were not there last sesson they would have pribbably got 150 points and walked the league. Not sure what your beef is with them. You dont acknowledge that they saved that club. Its just another way to criticise them. We can hardly talk we had a massive advantage in the championship Bizarre post. Not even sure what Notts County have to do with it since they don't play at Accrington until March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Bizarre post. Not even sure what Notts County have to do with it since they don't play at Accrington until March. Ok just carry on hating wrexham whatever floats your boat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted November 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Just that they have as a good a team as wrexham did and have a lot of money compared to the rest of the teams in the leagues. Other than that small detail absolutely nothing There are other relative “money teams” in League Two - Wrexham are just much more dominant in that regard. For example, Wrexham have spent £290k on transfers this season. The rest of League Two has spent £35k. That’s 1 team vs 23. It’s just not the same ballpark. I don’t understand the repeated “what about Notts County” stuff. Why don’t you ask about Stockport too? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted November 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 20, 2023 58 minutes ago, bobzy said: There are other relative “money teams” in League Two - Wrexham are just much more dominant in that regard. For example, Wrexham have spent £290k on transfers this season. The rest of League Two has spent £35k. That’s 1 team vs 23. It’s just not the same ballpark. I don’t understand the repeated “what about Notts County” stuff. Why don’t you ask about Stockport too? Certain people have bought into the fairytale and won't hear any word against the narrative they choose to believe. Don't know if it's just the media/marketing spin or if it's because of who their owners are and they bizarrely see them as mates in some way. They've done some good for Wrexham, that can't be denied. However they've also distorted the lower leagues and caused problems for clubs down there who really don't need it. Will be very interesting to see if opinions change in a few year's when Wrexham are in the Championship signing top flight player's and getting shirt sponsors for top 6 money. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Rds1983 said: However they've also distorted the lower leagues and caused problems for clubs down there who really don't need it. How have they caused problems for other clubs? You've got to look after your own business. If anyone's been chasing Wrexham it was at best futile and at worst down right stupid and they've only got themselves to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted November 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2023 8 hours ago, sidcow said: How have they caused problems for other clubs? You've got to look after your own business. If anyone's been chasing Man City it was at best futile and at worst down right stupid and they've only got themselves to blame. Try it with this one change and it might make sense. Although I expect it won't and the similarities will be discounted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2023 25 minutes ago, Rds1983 said: Try it with this one change and it might make sense. Although I expect it won't and the similarities will be discounted. Nope. Still don't understand how they've caused other clubs problems. They bought a load of players and got promoted out of the division. You're taking like they've left a wave of devastation in their wake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted November 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, sidcow said: Nope. Still don't understand how they've caused other clubs problems. They bought a load of players and got promoted out of the division. You're taking like they've left a wave of devastation in their wake. When one club spends more than the rest of the league put together how does that not destabilise the finances of the league? But I'm done trying to talk to people about it as it doesn't register at all. Just going to sit back and watch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Rds1983 said: When one club spends more than the rest of the league put together how does that not destabilise the finances of the league? But I'm done trying to talk to people about it as it doesn't register at all. Just going to sit back and watch To be fair, I don't think they're disrupting the lower league model that much. The simple reality is that other clubs just can't do what Wrexham are doing so they don't compete. Let's not forget that Wrexham were able to pull together a side of League One and lower Championship level players in the National League! No other side is attempting this - so I don't think there's much wider impact. There would be if, say, 7 clubs were trying to muscle in but, due to the nature of promotion/relegation etc it's just not the case. Clubs can't be risky down there whilst they can in the Premier League. At the same time, they're definitely the lower league Man City equivalent (bar having nice owners). They've got resource that no other side can compete with and they'll promote quickly off the back of that. Edited November 21, 2023 by bobzy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2023 28 minutes ago, Rds1983 said: When one club spends more than the rest of the league put together how does that not destabilise the finances of the league? But I'm done trying to talk to people about it as it doesn't register at all. Just going to sit back and watch Well probably because they haven't distabilised the league. They've got promoted from it and everyone else has carried on as normal. If anything the other clubs are probably marginally better off because of increased interest in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, sidcow said: Well probably because they haven't distabilised the league. They've got promoted from it and everyone else has carried on as normal. If anything the other clubs are probably marginally better off because of increased interest in the league. I bet if we were in the same division we would be fuming. Is it that much different than dropping Newcastle with new owners into the Premier League minus the crimes(though Green Lantern might be a crime to some) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 16 minutes ago, sidcow said: Well probably because they haven't distabilised the league. They've got promoted from it and everyone else has carried on as normal. If anything the other clubs are probably marginally better off because of increased interest in the league. I bet if we were in the same division we would be fuming. Is it that much different than dropping Newcastle with new owners into the Premier League minus the crimes(though Green Lantern might be a crime to some) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2023 Just now, Zatman said: I bet if we were in the same division we would be fuming. Is it that much different than dropping Newcastle with new owners into the Premier League minus the crimes(though Green Lantern might be a crime to some) Not really. Firstly you're stuck in the same league as Newcastle and Man City so you have to live with them permanently rather than getting on with your own agenda whilst viewing them sailing through. Secondly all Premier League clubs have their own substantial finances and compete accordingly with their own targets and aims. Sure they've made our aims more difficult but not distabilised us. They probably have little effect on how Bournemouth or Crystal Palace go about their business. Distabilising suggests a league is likely to collapse. That is not happening with The Vanarama or Premier League. People need to put a lid on the hysterics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted November 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, sidcow said: Not really. Firstly you're stuck in the same league as Newcastle and Man City so you have to live with them permanently rather than getting on with your own agenda whilst viewing them sailing through. Secondly all Premier League clubs have their own substantial finances and compete accordingly with their own targets and aims. Sure they've made our aims more difficult but not distabilised us. They probably have little effect on how Bournemouth or Crystal Palace go about their business. Distabilising suggests a league is likely to collapse. That is not happening with The Vanarama or Premier League. People need to put a lid on the hysterics. Didn't we also spend loads more than most other teams when we were in the Championship? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 minute ago, HKP90 said: Didn't we also spend loads more than most other teams when we were in the Championship? We are allowed to… We invented league football that the whole world enjoys… For that reason alone, we should be able to do whatever we like 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2023 16 minutes ago, HKP90 said: Didn't we also spend loads more than most other teams when we were in the Championship? Look at the trail of destruction we left in our wake. Championship is literally no longer viable as a functioning league because they all tried to keep up with us. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 20 minutes ago, sidcow said: Look at the trail of destruction we left in our wake. Championship is literally no longer viable as a functioning league because they all tried to keep up with us. Obviously not completely true, but part of it is. Not our fault persay, but teams in the Championship want a piece of the sweet Premier League pie but can’t really get there due to the financial power of the relegated sides. The disparity is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, bobzy said: Obviously not completely true, but part of it is. Not our fault persay, but teams in the Championship want a piece of the sweet Premier League pie but can’t really get there due to the financial power of the relegated sides. The disparity is huge. Well yeah. That's a whole different discussion. But when all is said and done every team needs to cut their cloth accordingly. Ultimately any team that gets itself in trouble has only itself to blame for spending beyond their needs and bad management. On the other hand good football management will Trump money as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, sidcow said: Well yeah. That's a whole different discussion. But when all is said and done every team needs to cut their cloth accordingly. Ultimately any team that gets itself in trouble has only itself to blame for spending beyond their needs and bad management. Yes… but you can see why other clubs would be unhappy with the gulf in spending power. Ipswich an example of good management (currently 2nd in the Championship), but the other 3 sides around them are the relegated clubs. Will Ipswich hold out for automatic promotion? Would they win the playoffs? Not impossible, but unlikely. So you just end up with a relatively uncompetitive pyramid outside the top flight. If there’s a trickle down impact (parachute payments from Championship to League One etc) then clubs like Wrexham do start to impact the lower leagues. Not at the moment, though. They’re just a bit disliked for their wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted November 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, bobzy said: Yes… but you can see why other clubs would be unhappy with the gulf in spending power. Ipswich an example of good management (currently 2nd in the Championship), but the other 3 sides around them are the relegated clubs. Will Ipswich hold out for automatic promotion? Would they win the playoffs? Not impossible, but unlikely. So you just end up with a relatively uncompetitive pyramid outside the top flight. If there’s a trickle down impact (parachute payments from Championship to League One etc) then clubs like Wrexham do start to impact the lower leagues. Not at the moment, though. They’re just a bit disliked for their wealth. They are mostly unhappy cos they wish it was them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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