blandy

There's a take on it in this twit thread which says it's pretty decent

Ta. On the twitter thread above the same statistical argument/factors, but in the reverse direction applies to Labour and Cons switching to LDs, I believe. It is likely that remain Labour migration to LD will in some seats outnumber remain tory to LD, particularly in that there down south, and that this will lead to some pretty large swings but tight results in previously safe-ish Tory seats - Like Johnson's for example. I know the Europ elections are not a reliable guide for a GE, but what happened there, even if it is to a notable lesser extent could still see big gains for LDs and BNPs and Labour and the Tories getting walloped in some places where they didn't expect to. I suspect also that the credibility of all the leaders is going to take a pasting in this election. People don't trust any of them and revelations and propoganda efforts are likely to make that situation worse.

What analysis have you seen, Darren? to help with understanding. Thansk.

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I don't. It's the clearest position anyone's taken. "Elect us and we'll revoke A50" is a very compelling message for an election that is happening because of Brexit and is significantly about Brexit. It won't work with everyone, but it'll massively increase their vote.

You don't have to have Spring rolls, Dem.

Porcine anatomy may not be a strong point.

Dunno mate, but you've prompted me to do the same as I'll not be at home for it

Sure. And some have gone down as well haven't they. My comment is on two aspects really - firstly that as an individual on an OK wage I was accepting of "the least bad thing would be for taxes to go up (including mine)" as a solution to the woes of the country. I'm not second house, CGT rich or 'owt, but if my income tax had gone up by one or two percent, then rather that than what happened (was happening at the time), was my view. The other point really is the one Bicks makes above - obviously if only OK, but not loaded people ended up paying more tax through PAYE, then that would be bad, but if big business and so on also coughed up then I was for it. The Occupy protests rang a bell with a lot of people and Starbucks and Amazon, Vodafone, Google, Apple etc didn't and don't pay their fair share because they can afford to hop around to wherever, while employing people on poorer wages, yet taking advantage of all the roads and infrastructure that the country provides.

I dunno, Martin. When there was that crash about 10, 12 years ago, I was riding my bike to work one day thinking about it all and I kind of came to the view that the least bad thing would be for taxes to go up (including mine) and that "austerity" was just morally wrong as a way to "fix" the situation, as the tories were saying needed done at the time. So of the various options, I kind of wanted, grudgingly, to pay more tax, genuinely, compared to any other option. I wanted it as a way of the nation spending more on infrastructure and green measures to keep people in jobs and off benefits and keep services at good levels.

Inflation over 20%, more than 3 million unemployed, traditional industries decimated and destroyed... Yeah, piece of cake.

Many people say that, but I don't think it's true really. Left and right started out as where folk sat in the French Palace before the revolution didn't it? Those on the Right were small c conservative types in favour of the way things were and the King and so on, and those who sat on the left were all for revolution and overthrowing the monarchy n'that. Within the UK if a poor person votes Labour because they'll provide better benefits, is that any less or more selfish than a small businessman who votes tory because (say) business taxes will be lower under the tories? I mean I thoroughly and utterly detest the Tory party and almost all if not everything of it stands for, and it's getting worse and worse - but I don't think that the tory voters are all selfish twunts. They're not. And they don't necessarily vote for the tories out of selfishness, some do it out of nastiness, some out of ignorance some do it because they think they control spending better, or are more effective administrators or are stronger on defence or immigration or standing up for small business or fox murdering, or destroying the planet, or selling everything to their rich mates and hiding the proceeds in tax havens. There. I don't think my bias showed at all there.

He bloody is! Using that strength in the Prem as opposed to falling to the floor and rolling around is something that he needs to do much better, but the bloke's a big unit and definitely strong with it. He's also a good passer of the ball, picking out teammates. It's frustrating that he's inconsistent - so far one good game, 2 bad games and doesn't look like he'll score a lot, but he will definitely improve with more game time and coaching and adjustment to the English game. It would be nice to have the finished article, but we are where we are.

The thing with this post is there's a small element of truth in it, but that's all, from my perspective. You see if he'd have done what you're saying with your hindsight, and put Konsa on in stead of Kodjia, then we'd have had no one up front at all and invited liverpool onto us even more. If he'd put Konsa, a central defender, to play midfield then he'd have been out of his depth. If he'd changed to 5 at the back, a system we've not played at all, then confusion reigns. SO if you or I is to accuse the manager of "poor game management" (which is our right to do) then maybe acknowledging that the other options available to him were flawed too and may have led to the same or worse as you do when you say "I'm not saying different decisions would have prevented us losing today" is kind of a bit out of place. If whatever he did was likely to end in defeat, then it's not "poor management" is just "he didn't do what I'd have rather done". I mean, me, I'd have left Wes on, and Douglas Luiz - but maybe the bench knew better than I did about their level of exhaustion. I hope they did. Hourihane coming on - at least, I thought if we get a free kick outside the box we've a threat there and might get a second. Elmo did well for Guilbert. So no, not "poor game management" just any option carries risks and against a team with Liverpool's belief and record and stronger bench I doubt there's anything different that could have affected the result, other than a fluke of some sort.

A small village in conservative Surrey compared to a large town or city, particularly in the midlands or north is always going to be better off. the small village will be wealthier, have had fewer cuts to budgets imposed from the Central government, it will be more affluent and have fewer problems with drugs, violent crime, bad diet and so on. So yeah, the main factor. Lucky you.

Cleaning up at the back, playing the sweeper role

He was much, much better yesterday. Still missed a header he should have at least got on target. Still moans too much to refs, but he battled harder, actually held up and flicked on the ball against the best defender in the country. Much better level of effort.

Me too. We played well, the players who have been a bit below par stepped up big time, there was organisation effort skill and commitment. We were unlucky to lose that, but you can’t complain when the team plays like that against the best team in the country

I love you VT lot. What a great last page or so of posts.

I think you're right, and I think it applies equally across all the parties who are likely to have a chance of power or influence. People may vote Tory because they expect Britain will be better after Brexit and then find the opposite, or think that the SNP will keep them (Scotland) in europe, or allow them to rejoin, and it won't. Or they might vote for Labour to stop Brexit and then find that they too are let down, or or to implement a "jobs first" Brexit and ...ditto. I guess most people will hold their noses when voting. Lib Dems are undoubtedly a pro european party and that will be enough to overcome doubts (remain) people might have about... Labour are unashamedly left wing and that will be enough to overcome doubts people might have about Corbyn's competence or about anti-semitism...because" policies" Tories are words removed, but people might vote for them because they hate the forins. Sorry, that's the BXP, the provisional Tories, my mistake.

It's come from and common in scotland, that, missing out the "to be". But you're right it needs stopped.

Lack of match fitness.