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Boris said he’d rather die in a ditch than extend Brexit past Oct 31. Boris is a bluffer. Always has been. Why would the EU start taking him seriously now?

More deaths this year means people taken 5/10/20 years before their time.

Lincoln assassinated, Titanic sinks, Nazis kill a thousand people in the Belfast Blitz, and the Boston Marathon bombing. Bad old day, this. Though I do hope Tom Heaton had a good birthday.

Fairly sure komp = kompromat, the quasi-military term for having dirt on a political rival. Putin allegedly taped Trump sleeping with escorts, i.e. the pee tape. Trump is friends with Ed Glazer, who owns a football club in Manchester. No idea what the sitcom stuff is about.

If you think Donald Trump is the man to improve the ethical standards and scientific rigour of the WHO, I have some very bad news for you.

Just on this, people are used to thinking linearly or multiplicatively. That's not the right way to think about exponential growth. For context, let's start with a base of ten. Ten to the power of 2.5 is 315. Ten to the power of 5.7 is over 500,000.

Yes, indeed there are differences across countries in population and also in age profiles and doctors per capita and hundreds of other things. It is an imperfect comparison so absolutely you need to adjust for the things but, as you say yourself, Scotland is also a good bit above Ireland’s rate. They can’t say they didn’t know what was happening in Italy. The consequences were discussed in depth here in this very thread. It was all completely predictable. And that higher death rate, the sadness inflicted on families all over, is partly because they let Cheltenham happen, because they hesitated to shut down schools, etc etc.

320 dead in Ireland. Scaling up for population that would be about 4,000 in the UK. So we’re not talking a difference of 10% or 20%, but something like 100%. Twice as many dead in the UK as there “should be”. Thousands dead. Thousands. Compare that to Grenfell which was, of course, an unthinkable outrage. I cannot believe people think HMG have handed this well. It’s beyond my understanding.

I’m not sure this is true. The Premier League, as a corporate entity, are its twenty members. I don’t think Everton and Man City really care that much about Villa versus Huddersfield fighting it out for seventeenth place. Care much more about 20 teams versus 22 imho. One thing that I see happening is the Conservative government passing legislation to give the PL immunity from torts about all this. That would mean Boris and co would pick whatever suits them the most.

Ah yeah, I would strongly disagree with @Vive_La_Villa but he’s not doing anything wrong. Think people were being dismissive to him personally rather than debating the posts. It’s a football discussion forum. Not unreasonable for someone to think society has lost respect for the cops.

Agreed. IMHO you’re getting a hard time from posters.

At the same time as our defending being awful, if we eliminate a few individual errors here and there (Engels against Spurs and Mings against Arsenal spring to mind) then we’re no longer in the bottom three. Puts it in perspective. We don’t actually need to be much better to see improvements in the table. Nearly there.

Wasn’t it 854 today?

Some research now finding that mortality is higher in regions where air pollution is higher (eg Northern Italy). Still a correlation rather than a causal relationship, but intuitive if it’s all about healthy lungs.

Is that one of the new symptoms? Hadn’t heard that... have you got a link?

Blast from the past. Went on to play for Ipswich, in the MLS, and a stint with a club in Norway. And he claimed AC Milan were in for him. Waster.

Much of this thread is the same dozen or so posters (me included) complaining that Joe Public wasn’t taking it seriously!

(Full disclosure: I bailed out of equities before the crash so my nest egg is only down by about 3%. Others are less lucky.)

I’m 33, have a small nest egg saved up for retirement. I work very hard to save what I can. The US stock market is down about 25% this year, so eg $100,000 is down to $75,000. In three months. $25,000 is no joke in terms of savings. How long do you think it takes to save $25,000? The last thing I want companies doing with my money is paying workers that aren’t working. I’ve no problem with the government helping them, but if you’re down $25,000 this year I don’t blame you for not feeling charitable.

If that’s in response to me, maybe you misread my meaning? I agree that we’ve had surprising levels of nuance for discussions patriotism chat.

I came here to be self-righteous about Ireland even being listed as an option, and stayed for the sensible posts about patriotism really being a bit silly.

I relived my youth and saw Blink-182 live in concert a few months back. Twenty years since their iconic album, they came out said “Tonight we are gonna play this album front to back, the way it should be. And, the most hygienic way to wipe.”

I travel a lot for work, so have signed up for loyalty programs for airlines, hotels, car rentals, etc. I'm getting emails from these companies every day. They say, in the most sincere and austere tones, that they're letting me keep my annual points for another month or two. Aer Lingus gave me 100 extra tier credits, and act like it's God's gift to humanity. Amazing that people care so much about stuff like this. Talk about priorities.

Awol, I'm disappointed but not surprised. "Herd immunity" is a correct answer to the wrong question. I am certain you have seen the "flatten the curve" appeals. Both curves in these appeals have the same fraction of the population catching the virus at some stage, the difference is at what time they catch it. Herd immunity over a long horizon instead of everyone catching it at once has two crucial advantages: 1. It gives the NHS a fighting chance to stay within capacity. 2. We'll have a better understanding of this beast in six days, nevermind six weeks or six months. Flattening the curve gives time for more research into how this disease spreads, which treatments work best and, one day, maybe a vaccine. If I am going to catch it, I want it when I know there's a bed in ICU and doctors have experience on how to deal with this, based on solid international evidence. That will come with time. Everyone knows the ultimate outcome here is herd immunity. That's not the critique of HMG's response. It's the failure to control the herd immunity that people like Jareth critique.

Keep the chin up SGC, don’t be like that. I might not agree with you 100% on footballing matters but you seem like a good skin. I don’t think anyone here is laughing at you.