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Somehow, this type of logic doesn't always work. It's already worked this season. That's why he said "doesn't always" work. This crap is spreading across the entire forum now, is there really any need? Personally, I honestly think that every single one of us should be hoping for 3 points, what anybody thinks of Lambert is irrelevant. I agree. It's pretty sad that for some people it seems as if the manager is becoming more important than the club itself. Speaking of crap.

Benteke's injury hasn't been the difference between us being shit and good. Collectively we have been awful for two seasons now with or without Benteke.

I agree. I think the remit he's had to work under is probably the most difficult in the premier league. He's had to rebuild the club from the ground up in a manner that will help us succeed in the long term (i.e. young players) and has been given a pittance to worth with AND has to meet the expectations of the fans (top half finishes at the very least) AND has to get the team playing good football. Trying to accomplish any two of those objectives would be a tough job, three would be a challenge for even the very best managers, but to accomplish all four is practically impossible, and would take a manager of Mourinho or Guardiola's quality to achieve. I would say that more than 5 of our players are good enough for this level. I think we forget how young this team is, they are one of the youngest sides to ever play top flight football in this country. Even the lads that haven't shined so far could potentially go on to be very good players once they've matured, the talent is clearly there for most of them. I also think that a lot of these young players would do fine if they were playing alongside more experienced colleagues, instead of fellow youngsters. I'm not saying Lambert is perfect, FAR from it, and I'm not saying he should be immune from some pretty heavy criticism, but to say he deserves the sack is to ignore the larger issues at the club and to be ignorant to the remit he's been asked to work under, which will NOT change if a new manager comes in. We are all familiar with all these issues that get raised over and over again in this thread. I think it is an extreme exaggeration to say that Lambert had to rebuild the club from ground up" - he had experienced players such as Gabby, Guzan, Albrighton, Delph, Clark, Baker and Herd to draw on. I've got a feeling he does actually see his job as "rebuilding the club" (HairyHands said as much in a post before he bombed himself out of the site) but I think this is a delusion - he won't be around long enough to rebuild anything. I'd rather he concentrated on getting a squad that could just get us more consistent results. It's also OTT to say that he has had a pittance to spend. He's had about £40m, hasn't he? It is his choice to have so many inexperienced players in the squad - he chose to put a number of our experienced players into exile and he spent the money on players without premier league experience. As you say yourself, So don't you think it would have been better to have brought in some more experienced heads from the start, if only on loan (an approach he now finally seems to have grasped)? Nobody's saying Lambert hasn't faced a difficult situation at the club, though not one as extreme as you set out, but the belief that he has handled it as well as might be expected (and, as some say, is the ONLY manager who could do the job) lacks credibility in my view given the poor, inconsistent, up and down results we have had, especially at home - home results should be the absolute bedrock of a club looking to improve and perform more solidly . When you look at what a manager like Tony Pulis has done at Crystal Palace, who had a weak and chaotic squad when he took over, and looked doomed to relegation, you can see that there are other managerial approaches to dealing with the sort of position we are in, that can be more effective because they are more pragmatic and more focused on just getting consistency and a run of results. I doubt whether Pulis talks about a "project" but you wouldn't now want to bet on Palace finishing below us this season Saved me the bother. Brilliant post.

Somehow, this type of logic doesn't always work. It's already worked this season.

Ah jesus Risso, you're just trying to pick fights It's something I've never done except in the very occasional and serious emergency. But even allowing for my personal distate over the issue of work-based clearouts, you should see the toilets we have to share in our building. We share a floor with some right dirty bastards, the sort who think nothing of pebble-dashing the porcelain with a noise like a departing flock of sparrows. The library I use has the computers situated right beside the toilet. Whenever someone has had a dump and I include the ladies in this they invariably then leave the door of the toilet open. The smell is as you would imagine and do they leave the door open at home?

For what reason other than pettiness? For the reason that I no longer want him as our manager and it is as simple as that. No pettiness intended.

It would have to be a decent loanee though Isa and not another of the same ilk as Holt because if we have a bad start to next season then it will be yet another hard season. That's why I have suggested Ba.

Palace are now better than the last time we played them while we are even worse so another rubbish team doing the double over us.

I'm hoping he can yet again prove how crap he is elsewhere.

With Benteke's injury as I have stated I another thread we will have to use up to half of the mooted 20m transfer fund on yet another striker or we could ask Chelsea to loan us Ba for the season who is well used to playing the loan striker role.

By the sound of it half of the mooted 20m transfer fund that Lambert is apparently going to get will have to be spent on another striker as Lambert has already come out and said that Bent has no future at the club. Alternatively we could ask Chelsea to give us Ba on loan who can play the loan striking role and have Kozak as backup?

On present record Lambert is still lucky to be in a job so he doesn't deserve anything.

Great. Slightly undone by the fact that the reason we've got so many shit players is that Lambert's bought most of them. If they're pitiful, it's bacause Lambert has spent £6m on two godawful left backs, and lots of other players who it's blindingly obvious are never going to be good enough. O'Neill blew tens of millions on poor players Some of which would still walk right into our team now such as Curtis Davies and Sidwell. They wouldn't because we don't pay 60k wages anymore. Slightly off topic but my mate drives sidwell around - he still chuckles at the salary he had at Villa. I meant ability wise.

Great. Slightly undone by the fact that the reason we've got so many shit players is that Lambert's bought most of them. If they're pitiful, it's bacause Lambert has spent £6m on two godawful left backs, and lots of other players who it's blindingly obvious are never going to be good enough. O'Neill blew tens of millions on poor players Some of which would still walk right into our team now such as Curtis Davies and Sidwell.

Not sure that is correct as GH was given decent funding.

What I'm trying to get at DelboyVilla is that most of us would be happy at this present time in seeing progression in our football. There is an acceptance that we won't be challenging any time soon for top six or trophies and yet those who keep saying this are still being criticised for being less than realistic in their expectations because they criticise performances. I don't criticise performances because I think we should be top four, I criticise performances due to those performances not being of a certain level that the fans here expect. Take the most recent game against Fulham. There have been several posters who have stated that Fulham won the game due to wanting it more and that may be correct. If that is so then the manager should take some flak for the players not being motivated enough and the players even more as we are not yet safe. Our standard of football with the exception of games you can count comfortably on one hand has been poor and been poor for two seasons now. There is very little movement off the ball and very little ability to retain possession which should reflect on the manager and coaches. This is what I and others have criticised and will continue to criticise because Aston Villa fans should at the very least have a team playing decent football if we are to accept non competitive football in the top half and we have already accepted that. It really is beginning to get on my goat that it's unrealistic to criticise the team or manager at all depending on what excuse is currently en vogue. Of course we have a right as fans to criticise as long as those criticisms are realistic within the current circumstances and for the most part they certainly have been.

Its not the expectation that pisses me off. Its the whining and the rhetoric that gets me. I want and expect Villa to do well, I expect the players to give 100%, not to **** up, and the manager to know his arse from his elbow tactically. The delusion of grandeur is what really gets to me. What delusion of grandeur? There is no expectation of top six finishes or trophies. The whining as you call it is posters criticising performances by the team and manager. Have you watched us at all over the past two seasons in particular?

I refer the honorable gentleman to the answer I gave moments ago. It's absolute bullshit isn't it? For all the people that take the piss out of RAWK or Red Cafe, if people gave VillaTalk some serious attention we'd be a laughing stock. Trouble is, just like arguing with zealots or Conspiracy nuts there is no reasoning with them. The notion that AVFC is a "great club" is laughable, they look at "7 League titles" most of which won before indoor toilets became the norm and assume we should be winning the League. That pisses me off too. Just for the record. hy·per·bo·le [hahy-pur-buh-lee] Show IPA noun Rhetoric . 1. obvious and intentional exaggeration. 2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait aneternity.” Exaggerations tend to have the basis of truth. You were just inaccurate then and that's my point.

It's absolute bullshit isn't it? For all the people that take the piss out of RAWK or Red Cafe, if people gave VillaTalk some serious attention we'd be a laughing stock. Trouble is, just like arguing with zealots or Conspiracy nuts there is no reasoning with them. The notion that AVFC is a "great club" is laughable, they look at "7 League titles" most of which won before indoor toilets became the norm and assume we should be winning the League. That pisses me off too. Just for the record.

Ah right so I got my answer then. I haven't seen anyone stating that we should be winning the league, finishing in the top four or even challenging for Europe this season. I have seen posters saying that we are a great club because to us em we are a great club and always will be even if relegated. Just a thought.

Why?

Spat my Coco Pops out at that one.

Do you use your imagination or photographic material? Sometimes neither works for for me and then it's even more stressful.

It's a darn pity Lambert left Norwich so acrimoniously because I'd drive him back there myself with his useless coaching staff.

Cannot and won't believe this is true until we get further confirmation from the club.