TRO Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Someone had to start this some time. Yes we're a real trend setter. I can see all clubs with high ambitions raiding league one and two after our successful season. I think he meant the attitude, mood and mindset in our club/players. I did .....but its too deep for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 So that attitude and mindset only exists in the lower league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I think it has been a really brave move by Lambert and only strengthens my belief in him. He seems totally at ease with it. still think we will get beat tomorrow but these things take time to turn around. Ps The signings that most were looking for could well have changed nothing and thats the key for me. The meal ticket days have to come to an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I have been swaying from diapointment to optimisum and back again , I guess its a case of waitingto see where we are come say the new year and then making a informed view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 So that attitude and mindset only exists in the lower league? John, One or two big money signings was not going the change things, its almost been proved if you care to look back. we needed c8 players @ c 10 mill wasn't going to happen and the risk was there too. Trust him If it don't work then have a gripe... give him time. Instant gratification, don't join the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I think more signings in the mould of Vlaar and KEA would have made a difference and they aren't big money signings. And as for instant gratification, I've been waiting two years for us to be anything but a poor football team getting poor results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I think more signings in the mould of Vlaar and KEA would have made a difference and they aren't big money signings. And as for instant gratification, I've been waiting two years for us to be anything but a poor football team getting poor results. I do actually understand your frustration I just think you are under valueing what PL believes he can get from these players. I thought Benteke was in excess of Vlaar and Bennet and Westwood was on par with KEA Blimey we bought Makoun for more than KEA.... is he better for spending more? Ps I think we have been resident in a dangerous banding for transfers of late. The very top players and lower leagues seem to share a similar hunger..... There is another bunch that are very expensive but do not have the same attitude and they seem to sit in the middle ground, they are a risky bunch IMO.... because we think we are getting something and we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Blimey we bought Makoun for more than KEA.... is he better for spending more? I'm not on about money. When I say in the mould of Vlaar and KEA I'm talking about experienced, international players, playing at the top level in the county they're currently in. Maybe I'm completely wrong to underestimate the kids without seeing them play. I just can't help thinking we're expecting too much from them right now and it could be a disaster waiting to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 The "kids" we've brought aren't the same as our kids. They're all more experienced, in some cases massively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Blimey we bought Makoun for more than KEA.... is he better for spending more? I'm not on about money. When I say in the mould of Vlaar and KEA I'm talking about experienced, international players, playing at the top level in the county they're currently in. Maybe I'm completely wrong to underestimate the kids without seeing them play. I just can't help thinking we're expecting too much from them right now and it could be a disaster waiting to happen. Only time will tell John, i don't have a monopoly over you on the future. but I just have a hunch, this guy is right. I draw a lot of parallels from the Saunders era and despite arguements about different era which I partially accept, but for the things I look for don't change.(It can be another debate) I see a lot of similarities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapbranny Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Paul Lambert's career highlight as a player was winning the Champions League with Dortmund. Clearly the hiring of his former coach there as our new head scout shows that his affiliation with them still runs deep. So bearing that in mind, let's consider the Dortmund of today - having paid the price for expensive signings, even having to sell their stadium, a hungry young manager came in with the task of signing similar minded players. Some of those he signed two years ago are now household names or playing elsewhere after high profile transfers. Nuri Sahin was deemed too slow for the BL but Klopp turned him into a formidable playmaker. Hummels was signed from Bayyern who deemed him not good enough and partnered him at centre half with Subotic. Kagawa, now at Utd, was signed from the Japanese second division. Großkreutz from the German second. Is Lambert trying to replicate their approach? You'd be foolish to thnk it hasn't crossed his mind. This article tells the whole story of Dortmund's resurgence. It could almost be a parallel to our own. We hope! This, exactly this. Great article and shows exactly what we need to do, let's hope the Villa fans have he patience for this to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Only time will tell John, i don't have a monopoly over you on the future. but I just have a hunch, this guy is right. We'll see how this season pans out. I'm sure i'll have a moan after games and I'm sure people will tell me I was wrong to be negative after others. I know I certainly hope you're right on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Only time will tell John, i don't have a monopoly over you on the future. but I just have a hunch, this guy is right. We'll see how this season pans out. I'm sure i'll have a moan after games and I'm sure people will tell me I was wrong to be negative after others. I know I certainly hope you're right on this one. moaning shows you care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skruff Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Blimey we bought Makoun for more than KEA.... is he better for spending more? I'm not on about money. When I say in the mould of Vlaar and KEA I'm talking about experienced, international players, playing at the top level in the county they're currently in. Maybe I'm completely wrong to underestimate the kids without seeing them play. I just can't help thinking we're expecting too much from them right now and it could be a disaster waiting to happen. No offense BJ10, But you seem so damned miserable that we signed 3 players from the lower leagues. It's almost as if we didn't sign Vlaar and KEA this window. I'm sure most people would like to see some proven premier league experience in, I do too. But I also remember how that's worked out for us in the past both in terms of players and manager. Showing some faith and patience wont hurt anyone, quite the contrary. I think you've made your point quite clear too everyone here on this forum the past week. Enough times for them to remember it by now. To be honest it's becoming quite tentative. You are addressing important issues, but you do it in such a way that I feel like I'm in the middle of a endless bukkake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 But you seem so damned miserable that we signed 3 players from the lower leagues. It's almost as if we didn't sign Vlaar and KEA this window. I haven't forgot. But did you see west ham and everton? Those 2 were arguably our best players but did they make much difference? Were they able to improve us from last season? And I'm not writing them off, 2 good players aren't enough to completely change a team. That's why I wanted more like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Blimey we bought Makoun for more than KEA.... is he better for spending more? I'm not on about money. When I say in the mould of Vlaar and KEA I'm talking about experienced, international players, playing at the top level in the county they're currently in. Maybe I'm completely wrong to underestimate the kids without seeing them play. I just can't help thinking we're expecting too much from them right now and it could be a disaster waiting to happen. No offense BJ10, You are addressing important issues, but you do it in such a way that I feel like I'm in the middle of a endless bukkake. The last sentence TRO is a little disturbing to say the least. You sure your at the right club?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Paul Lambert's career highlight as a player was winning the Champions League with Dortmund. Clearly the hiring of his former coach there as our new head scout shows that his affiliation with them still runs deep. So bearing that in mind, let's consider the Dortmund of today - having paid the price for expensive signings, even having to sell their stadium, a hungry young manager came in with the task of signing similar minded players. Some of those he signed two years ago are now household names or playing elsewhere after high profile transfers. Nuri Sahin was deemed too slow for the BL but Klopp turned him into a formidable playmaker. Hummels was signed from Bayyern who deemed him not good enough and partnered him at centre half with Subotic. Kagawa, now at Utd, was signed from the Japanese second division. Großkreutz from the German second. Is Lambert trying to replicate their approach? You'd be foolish to thnk it hasn't crossed his mind. This article tells the whole story of Dortmund's resurgence. It could almost be a parallel to our own. We hope! Fantastic article and a model you would hope we could follow. I am so glad I read that, it has boosted my confidence a lot. Thank you for such a brilliant article NurembergVillan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 A championship winning side for £5m. That would be the best thing ever in the Premier League! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lions_Roar Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I have a lot of mates that support other clubs laughing at the signings we've made. Players from sheff United, Crewe and chesterfield. Hang on didn't a club called man united sign a player from Crewe? Anyway, im delighted the PL has taken this approach and i've no doubt that this is one of the reasons why he was offered the job. He didn't go into the interview asking for a load of cash to spend. He seems a sensible guy and one that eager to succeed. There is a long way to go and im hoping this is the start of his project and he gets to finish it. Now is the time for him to bring these players in and work with them for a few seasons to develop them. I've had enough of signing journeymen looking for a last pay day. I even doubt whether we actually made a bid for Dempsey! PL has stated time and time again he wants young, hungry players and it's obvious he's been doing his homework on his signings, KEA's interview proves this. As long as you realise it's not all going to be plain sailing that that will enable you to handles to ups and downs. Im confident PL will do exactly what he's been brought here to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Unless there is a total player mutiny, I really hope PL gets a few years to implement his strategy - even if it means we get relegated. It actually (kind of) worked out for Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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