TrentVilla Posted March 23, 2012 Moderator Share Posted March 23, 2012 Similar to Stale Stolebakken (Cologne coach and ex Wimbledon player) who was announced as clinically dead when he collapsed and made his own miracle recovery. When you say he made "his own miracle recovery"..... I presume you mean he was saved by very talented doctors as was Muamba. I hate this notion that its a "miracle" or that "prayers worked" its utter nonesense. VillaChris never even mentioned anything about prayer. In today's language saying "miracle" doesn't necessarily have to have religious connotations. I'm fully aware that he didn't and I didn't say he did but thanks for clarifying something I was already aware of. If you actually read what I posted you will notice I said "miracle" or "prayer". It was a general point rather than one specifically limited to his post, I wasn't expecting someone to try and score points off my reply. As for the definition of miracle yes it can be used in other connotations but in this one given the "pray for Muamba" theme in football and the media and then I think its fair to attribute its meaning to a religious theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I don't really see the problem in people saying "pray for Muamba". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted March 23, 2012 Moderator Share Posted March 23, 2012 I don't really see the problem in people saying "pray for Muamba".I've read back up the thread and can't work out which point your post is actually responding to. I don't see anyone having a problem with 'pray for Muamba'. I think people have a problem with all of the credit for Muamba's survival being attributed to a religious miracle rather than the medical intervention that did save his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted March 23, 2012 Moderator Share Posted March 23, 2012 I don't really see the problem in people saying "pray for Muamba". I didn't say there was one I just find the notion he was saved by divine inspiration or God, or prayer or a miracle a little insulting to those highly skilled professionals that are really the ones responsible for seemingly saving his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted March 23, 2012 Moderator Share Posted March 23, 2012 I don't really see the problem in people saying "pray for Muamba".I've read back up the thread and can't work out which point your post is actually responding to. I don't see anyone having a problem with 'pray for Muamba'. I think people have a problem with all of the credit for Muamba's survival being attributed to a religious miracle rather than the medical intervention that did save his life. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I don't really see the problem in people saying "pray for Muamba".I've read back up the thread and can't work out which point your post is actually responding to. I don't see anyone having a problem with 'pray for Muamba'. I think people have a problem with all of the credit for Muamba's survival being attributed to a religious miracle rather than the medical intervention that did save his life.I haven't seen many people attribute Muamab's survival to a religious miracle. I don't really see the problem in people saying "pray for Muamba". I didn't say there was one I just find the notion he was saved by divine inspiration or God, or prayer or a miracle a little insulting to those highly skilled professionals that are really the ones responsible for seemingly saving his life.But who's saying that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted March 23, 2012 Moderator Share Posted March 23, 2012 I don't really see the problem in people saying "pray for Muamba".I've read back up the thread and can't work out which point your post is actually responding to. I don't see anyone having a problem with 'pray for Muamba'. I think people have a problem with all of the credit for Muamba's survival being attributed to a religious miracle rather than the medical intervention that did save his life.I haven't seen many people attribute Muamab's survival to a religious miracle. Sepp Blatter for one. But I'd need to know how many constitutes 'many' before I make a bigger list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I don't really see the problem in people saying "pray for Muamba".I've read back up the thread and can't work out which point your post is actually responding to. I don't see anyone having a problem with 'pray for Muamba'. I think people have a problem with all of the credit for Muamba's survival being attributed to a religious miracle rather than the medical intervention that did save his life.I haven't seen many people attribute Muamab's survival to a religious miracle. Sepp Blatter for one. But I'd need to know how many constitutes 'many' before I make a bigger list As long as they praise the medical staff as well (and many have been) I see no issue. By the looks of it Blatter didn't but it is Blatter after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted March 23, 2012 Moderator Share Posted March 23, 2012 Mantis please note the use of the word 'notion' in your desire to score points you appear to be skim reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted March 23, 2012 Moderator Share Posted March 23, 2012 I don't really see the problem in people saying "pray for Muamba".I've read back up the thread and can't work out which point your post is actually responding to. I don't see anyone having a problem with 'pray for Muamba'. I think people have a problem with all of the credit for Muamba's survival being attributed to a religious miracle rather than the medical intervention that did save his life.I haven't seen many people attribute Muamab's survival to a religious miracle. Sepp Blatter for one. But I'd need to know how many constitutes 'many' before I make a bigger list As long as they praise the medical staff as well (and many have been) I see no issue. By the looks of it Blatter didn't but it is Blatter after all. Fair enough, that is your opinion I just don't agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Mantis please add the word 'notion' to the list of things you need to Google. Just so long as you add the word 'polite' to your list. I don't really see the problem in people saying "pray for Muamba".I've read back up the thread and can't work out which point your post is actually responding to. I don't see anyone having a problem with 'pray for Muamba'. I think people have a problem with all of the credit for Muamba's survival being attributed to a religious miracle rather than the medical intervention that did save his life.I haven't seen many people attribute Muamab's survival to a religious miracle. Sepp Blatter for one. But I'd need to know how many constitutes 'many' before I make a bigger list As long as they praise the medical staff as well (and many have been) I see no issue. By the looks of it Blatter didn't but it is Blatter after all. Fair enough, that is your opinion I just don't agree with it. Yes, it is my opinion. I thought that much was obvious. :? Just wondering, what is it specifically you don't agree with? Surely if people praise the medical staff (as they should) there's absolutely no problem if they bring religion into it as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted March 23, 2012 Moderator Share Posted March 23, 2012 Sorry I'm done on this one I really can't be bothered with the point scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I envision the next god thread brewing here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted March 23, 2012 Moderator Share Posted March 23, 2012 Personally I'm disgusted that no-one has thanked Tom Cruise. Talk about ungrateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Sorry I'm done on this one I really can't be bothered with the point scoring.What point scoring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Villatalk amazes me some times. :wow: :wow: Anyway it would be nice if they could release some more regular information on his progress. Would love to see bolton beat Blackburn tomorrow for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Villatalk amazes me some times. :wow: :wow: Anyway it would be nice if they could release some more regular information on his progress. Would love to see bolton beat Blackburn tomorrow for him.Well I guess there's not much else to say. He's stable and getting better but still very ill according to Coyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted March 23, 2012 Moderator Share Posted March 23, 2012 Latest is he's very very happy because he has no recollection of his time at small heath. #straighttohell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom_Wren Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I laughed!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 As long as they praise the medical staff as well (and many have been) I see no issue. Disagree. What would it sound like? 1st option : The great medical staff saved him, but they wouldn't have if it wasn't for the almighty one. This one would downgrade the medical staff's heroics. 2nd option : The great medical staff saved him and no prayers or god references had any effect at all. Which would make your point moot IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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