Stevo985 Posted November 4, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted November 4, 2011 My team. It'll never happen, but it's what I'd play Given Cuellar Dunne Clark Agbonlahor Petrov Bannan Herd Delph ^^> Ireland Bent Go Brazil on their ass. 4-4-2 and 4-5-1 are just cancelling teams out at any level below the top 4. We should be a bit clever and use our strengths. Centre back 3 all good in the air to take care of set pieces and long balls. 2 wingers with the speed and engine to be able to track back and help out in defence. 3 in the middle so 2 can go forward while one stays back, or either can push out to the wings to provide support to the wing-backs. Ireland was born a Libero. Play him as one. Bent as the ponta da lança as always. Paul Lambert would eat that formation for breakfast! There's a reason no-one plays 3-5-2 anymore Yep, they're too scared to change from anything other than what looks like a 442 or a 451. Not picking on your post specifically, but unfortunately all the negative responses to trying something different shows just why managers in this country aren't able to change it around or implement their own systems. Nope. If you play 3-5-2, a decent opposition tactically, which Norwich are despite a lack of top class talent, would just play 1 up front, 5 in midfield and push their full backs up. The 1 up front is key because it takes one of our players out of the game. That automatically means we'd have 3 CBs marking one man. Their advanced fullbacks would take Gabby and Delph (in your formation) out of the game. Then they'd be left with their 5 man midfield against our 3 men that were left. Meaning they coudl effectively have 1 guy doign what he likes in a free role (attack or help out the defence) and still have a 4 vs 3 midfield 3-5-2 would work well if the opposition stuck to a traditional 4-4-2 or were tactically naieve enough not to exploit the weaknesses that a 3-5-2 brings. The middle of the park would be congested, but they'd overwhelm us Paul Lambert is not tactically naieve. As I said, if we were to play 3-5-2 Lambert would be licking his lips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 4, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted November 4, 2011 To clarify: I am all for trying somethign different. I'm not all for trying somethign that would lose us the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 My team. It'll never happen, but it's what I'd play Given Cuellar Dunne Clark Agbonlahor Petrov Bannan Herd Delph ^^> Ireland Bent Go Brazil on their ass. 4-4-2 and 4-5-1 are just cancelling teams out at any level below the top 4. We should be a bit clever and use our strengths. Centre back 3 all good in the air to take care of set pieces and long balls. 2 wingers with the speed and engine to be able to track back and help out in defence. 3 in the middle so 2 can go forward while one stays back, or either can push out to the wings to provide support to the wing-backs. Ireland was born a Libero. Play him as one. Bent as the ponta da lança as always. Paul Lambert would eat that formation for breakfast! There's a reason no-one plays 3-5-2 anymore Yep, they're too scared to change from anything other than what looks like a 442 or a 451. Not picking on your post specifically, but unfortunately all the negative responses to trying something different shows just why managers in this country aren't able to change it around or implement their own systems. Nope. If you play 3-5-2, a decent opposition tactically, which Norwich are despite a lack of top class talent, would just play 1 up front, 5 in midfield and push their full backs up. The 1 up front is key because it takes one of our players out of the game. That automatically means we'd have 3 CBs marking one man. Their advanced fullbacks would take Gabby and Delph (in your formation) out of the game. Then they'd be left with their 5 man midfield against our 3 men that were left. Meaning they coudl effectively have 1 guy doign what he likes in a free role (attack or help out the defence) and still have a 4 vs 3 midfield 3-5-2 would work well if the opposition stuck to a traditional 4-4-2 or were tactically naieve enough not to exploit the weaknesses that a 3-5-2 brings. The middle of the park would be congested, but they'd overwhelm us Paul Lambert is not tactically naieve. As I said, if we were to play 3-5-2 Lambert would be licking his lips. You'd be spot on if it weren't for the fact that players don't stay in one place. Zonal marking and pressing mean that there isn't any part of the pitch where players are left on their own. Also, teams prepare for the next game by doing their homework on players, formations, weaknesses etc. of the opponent. They can't change their whole approach to a game very effectively half way through if they suddenly have something vastly different to what they expected. As I say, it's only what I'd do if I was the manager, but I'm not. So perhaps we would get stuffed, but perhaps I'm right in my assertion that teams who are prepared to try different things will find themselves doing much better in a stagnant league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CottenM Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Whatever the formation or line up, we simply need to play better. There's plenty of international caps and experience in our back 5, and we have a "proven goalscorer" And yet we keep seeing defensive naivety and glorious chances missed (the few we have created, you'll notice I've skipped the midfield, McLeish style) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedge Posted November 4, 2011 Author Share Posted November 4, 2011 We'll win 3-1 and a "Race for Europe" thread will be created on the main forum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villadude Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 We'll make hard work of this, a draw at best I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedge Posted November 4, 2011 Author Share Posted November 4, 2011 Jenas (finally) and Bannan in squad according to AVFC official Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee1971 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 i think it will be an open game like blackpool last season and we nick it late on 4-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Jenas (finally) and Bannan in squad according to AVFC official Twitter.That will surely mean no Heskey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Jenas (finally) and Bannan in squad according to AVFC official Twitter.That will surely mean no Heskey why does that mean no heskey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete165 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Jenas will be on the bench, not starting, I think. --------------------------------------GIVEN------------------------------------------------ --HUTTON-------------DUNNE-----------------COLLINS--------------WARNOCK------- ---------------------------------------HERD------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------PETROV-------BANNAN-------------------------------------- ----------ZOG-------------------------BENT---------------------GABBY------------------- Bench: GUZAN, CUELLAR, CLARK, IRELAND, DELPH, HESKEY, ALBRIGHTON, JENAS What a strong bench that is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Jenas (finally) and Bannan in squad according to AVFC official Twitter.That will surely mean no Heskey why does that mean no heskey? I don't think McLeish would be stupid enough to play Heskey in midfield if both Bannan and Jenas are available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Jenas will be on the bench, not starting, I think. --------------------------------------GIVEN------------------------------------------------ --HUTTON-------------DUNNE-----------------COLLINS--------------WARNOCK------- ---------------------------------------HERD------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------PETROV-------BANNAN-------------------------------------- ----------ZOG-------------------------BENT---------------------GABBY------------------- Bench: GUZAN, CUELLAR, CLARK, IRELAND, DELPH, HESKEY, ALBRIGHTON, JENAS What a strong bench that is... Your only allowed 7 subs on the bench arent you???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedge Posted November 4, 2011 Author Share Posted November 4, 2011 Jenas (finally) and Bannan in squad according to AVFC official Twitter.That will surely mean no Heskey why does that mean no heskey? I don't think McLeish would be stupid enough to play Heskey in midfield if both Bannan and Jenas are available. You'd be surprised, I'm fully expecting Heskey to start... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Jenas (finally) and Bannan in squad according to AVFC official Twitter.That will surely mean no Heskey why does that mean no heskey? I don't think McLeish would be stupid enough to play Heskey in midfield if both Bannan and Jenas are available. You'd be surprised, I'm fully expecting Heskey to start... Nah, shouldn't do. He didn't start Heskey in the WBA game when Bannan was available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I doubt jenas will be starting Bannan bench, I think heskey will field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedge Posted November 4, 2011 Author Share Posted November 4, 2011 Jenas (finally) and Bannan in squad according to AVFC official Twitter.That will surely mean no Heskey why does that mean no heskey? I don't think McLeish would be stupid enough to play Heskey in midfield if both Bannan and Jenas are available. You'd be surprised, I'm fully expecting Heskey to start... Nah, shouldn't do. He didn't start Heskey in the WBA game when Bannan was available. Wee Barry's been a naughty boy though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedge Posted November 4, 2011 Author Share Posted November 4, 2011 Jenas (finally) and Bannan in squad according to AVFC official Twitter.That will surely mean no Heskey why does that mean no heskey? I don't think McLeish would be stupid enough to play Heskey in midfield if both Bannan and Jenas are available. You'd be surprised, I'm fully expecting Heskey to start... Nah, shouldn't do. He didn't start Heskey in the WBA game when Bannan was available. Wee Barry's been a naughty boy though, expect him to be sitting on the bench with a dunce cap on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 4, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted November 4, 2011 My team. It'll never happen, but it's what I'd play Given Cuellar Dunne Clark Agbonlahor Petrov Bannan Herd Delph ^^> Ireland Bent Go Brazil on their ass. 4-4-2 and 4-5-1 are just cancelling teams out at any level below the top 4. We should be a bit clever and use our strengths. Centre back 3 all good in the air to take care of set pieces and long balls. 2 wingers with the speed and engine to be able to track back and help out in defence. 3 in the middle so 2 can go forward while one stays back, or either can push out to the wings to provide support to the wing-backs. Ireland was born a Libero. Play him as one. Bent as the ponta da lança as always. Paul Lambert would eat that formation for breakfast! There's a reason no-one plays 3-5-2 anymore Yep, they're too scared to change from anything other than what looks like a 442 or a 451. Not picking on your post specifically, but unfortunately all the negative responses to trying something different shows just why managers in this country aren't able to change it around or implement their own systems. Nope. If you play 3-5-2, a decent opposition tactically, which Norwich are despite a lack of top class talent, would just play 1 up front, 5 in midfield and push their full backs up. The 1 up front is key because it takes one of our players out of the game. That automatically means we'd have 3 CBs marking one man. Their advanced fullbacks would take Gabby and Delph (in your formation) out of the game. Then they'd be left with their 5 man midfield against our 3 men that were left. Meaning they coudl effectively have 1 guy doign what he likes in a free role (attack or help out the defence) and still have a 4 vs 3 midfield 3-5-2 would work well if the opposition stuck to a traditional 4-4-2 or were tactically naieve enough not to exploit the weaknesses that a 3-5-2 brings. The middle of the park would be congested, but they'd overwhelm us Paul Lambert is not tactically naieve. As I said, if we were to play 3-5-2 Lambert would be licking his lips. You'd be spot on if it weren't for the fact that players don't stay in one place. Zonal marking and pressing mean that there isn't any part of the pitch where players are left on their own. Also, teams prepare for the next game by doing their homework on players, formations, weaknesses etc. of the opponent. They can't change their whole approach to a game very effectively half way through if they suddenly have something vastly different to what they expected. As I say, it's only what I'd do if I was the manager, but I'm not. So perhaps we would get stuffed, but perhaps I'm right in my assertion that teams who are prepared to try different things will find themselves doing much better in a stagnant league. I cometely agree. But 3-5-2 isn't different. It's outdated. United played 3-5-2 against fulham last year. Fulham wouldn't have expected it. Yet fulham won comfortably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 This is the sort of game in which Pires would have made a useful cameo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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