YGabbana Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) Finding it hard to get motivated since I got back from holiday. Only been to the gym a handful of times since. Need to get back on it for a month (before my next holiday!). After that I'll be going on my bulk for the year. Question for JB. GVT, would you recommend going straight into it as a bulk, or would it be beneficial to do a more traditional split for a few weeks first?Really and truely your diet is the staple of a lean bulk, i would recommend training 4x a week with a bodybuilder routine rather than GVT especially if unassisted It was my opinion. For a beginner (I was talking to Ginko, who is a beginner) I think free weights are better than machines.Not sure how you come to that opinion but fair enough its yours to have. Edited July 16, 2015 by YGabbana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16, 2015 Finding it hard to get motivated since I got back from holiday. Only been to the gym a handful of times since. Need to get back on it for a month (before my next holiday!). After that I'll be going on my bulk for the year. Question for JB. GVT, would you recommend going straight into it as a bulk, or would it be beneficial to do a more traditional split for a few weeks first? Really and truely your diet is the staple of a lean bulk, i would recommend training 4x a week with a bodybuilder routine rather than GVT especially if unassisted I know that, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16, 2015 It was my opinion. For a beginner (I was talking to Ginko, who is a beginner) I think free weights are better than machines. Not sure how you come to that opinion but fair enough its yours to have. I already explained it once. You quoted it in your last post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Personally I would favor free weights over machines. Obviously a combination of both is ideal but if I had to choose one to start out with it would be free weights. I think they just provide a better grounding and strength base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) Some machines hit the secondary mucles just as well as free weights do, to advise a beginner to disregard machines and stick to free weights is abit strange imo, a mix of both is required. People i train and people my coach train both use machines and free weights, especially beginners who can use certain machines to get the feel of a movement, as JB says the hack squat machine is the perfect example. Edited July 16, 2015 by YGabbana 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) I didn't tell him to disregard them. I told him free weights were better so to choose a gym with a good selection (there are plenty of gyms out there that offer very little in terms of free weights) In fact, I specifically advised him to follow a proper beginners' routine, designed by people who know what they are doing. I'd be very surprised if he found a routine that didn't include some machine work. Edited July 16, 2015 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16, 2015 Similarly, I'd be very surprised if he found a proper beginners' routine that prioritised machine work over free weights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) Some machines hit the secondary mucles just as well as free weights do, to advise a beginner to disregard machines and stick to free weights is abit strange imo, a mix of both is required. People i train and people my coach train both use machines and free weights, especially beginners who can use certain machines to get the feel of a movement, as JB says the hack squat machine is the perfect example. Agreed. And to add: I know people who train others who'd never advise beginners to do deadlifts and squats. The reason being is that some people quite simply find them uncomfortable, or not enjoyable, so all this does is makes them dislike working out and they end up quitting the gym. People need to find a programme that suits them and not get too obsessed with doing big compound movements. You can build muscle without them, despite what the bro science says, so you need to find what suits you the most. If you can incorporate them - great - but if you can't then it's okay to find alternatives. Edited July 16, 2015 by Morley_crosses_to_Withe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Some machines hit the secondary mucles just as well as free weights do, to advise a beginner to disregard machines and stick to free weights is abit strange imo, a mix of both is required. People i train and people my coach train both use machines and free weights, especially beginners who can use certain machines to get the feel of a movement, as JB says the hack squat machine is the perfect example. Agreed. And to add: I know people who train others who'd never advise beginners to do deadlifts and squats. The reason being is that some people quite simply find them uncomfortable, or not enjoyable, so all this does is makes them dislike working out and they end up quitting the gym. People need to find a programme that suits them and not get too obsessed with doing big compound movements. You can build muscle without them, despite what the bro science says, so you need to find what suits you the most. If you can incorporate them - great - but if you can't then it's okay to find alternatives. To add to that, i hate doing deadlifts lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 16, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 16, 2015 Probably my favourite lift That or the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16, 2015 Probably my favourite lift Same. Back injury has meant I haven't been able to do it for a while Will be back on it over the winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 16, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 16, 2015 Well thanks to JB I've moved to a sumo deadlift and so far so very good 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 I prefer to do rack pulls tbh, takes the starting leg movement out of the deadlift and i find it alot more comfortable and noticed good growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Finding it hard to get motivated since I got back from holiday. Only been to the gym a handful of times since. Need to get back on it for a month (before my next holiday!). After that I'll be going on my bulk for the year. Question for JB. GVT, would you recommend going straight into it as a bulk, or would it be beneficial to do a more traditional split for a few weeks first? Personally, I would probably do a traditional (body part/upper-lower/PPL) split for 2-3 weeks, or at least until you're back in the swing of things. I'm not sure there's anything magical about GVT to be honest. I guess it's just a way of getting more reps/sets which combined with slow eccentrics equals more time under tension, which in turn should equal more growth. The prescriptive strength increments also pushed me to try weights that I probably wouldn't have. I kind of tried it on a whim as I was in a bit of a rut planning my own programs. I enjoyed it. Although I wish I hadn't paired Bulgarian split squats with DB straight-leg deadlifts! As you've been lifting for a while I reckon you should try the advanced program with the lower reps/higher loads. Oh and really try and pair the exercises if you can! Charles Poliquin talks an awful lot of shit (and makes a lot of money doing so. Bioprint courses for example) and is a bit of a laughing stock in some circles but he knows his apples when it comes to training. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Some machines hit the secondary mucles just as well as free weights do, to advise a beginner to disregard machines and stick to free weights is abit strange imo, a mix of both is required. People i train and people my coach train both use machines and free weights, especially beginners who can use certain machines to get the feel of a movement, as JB says the hack squat machine is the perfect example. Agreed. And to add: I know people who train others who'd never advise beginners to do deadlifts and squats. The reason being is that some people quite simply find them uncomfortable, or not enjoyable, so all this does is makes them dislike working out and they end up quitting the gym. People need to find a programme that suits them and not get too obsessed with doing big compound movements. You can build muscle without them, despite what the bro science says, so you need to find what suits you the most. If you can incorporate them - great - but if you can't then it's okay to find alternatives. Spot on that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16, 2015 Finding it hard to get motivated since I got back from holiday. Only been to the gym a handful of times since. Need to get back on it for a month (before my next holiday!). After that I'll be going on my bulk for the year. Question for JB. GVT, would you recommend going straight into it as a bulk, or would it be beneficial to do a more traditional split for a few weeks first? Personally, I would probably do a traditional (body part/upper-lower/PPL) split for 2-3 weeks, or at least until you're back in the swing of things. I'm not sure there's anything magical about GVT to be honest. I guess it's just a way of getting more reps/sets which combined with slow eccentrics equals more time under tension, which in turn should equal more growth. The prescriptive strength increments also pushed me to try weights that I probably wouldn't have. I kind of tried it on a whim as I was in a bit of a rut planning my own programs. I enjoyed it. Although I wish I hadn't paired Bulgarian split squats with DB straight-leg deadlifts! As you've been lifting for a while I reckon you should try the advanced program with the lower reps/higher loads. Oh and really try and pair the exercises if you can! Charles Poliquin talks an awful lot of shit (and makes a lot of money doing so. Bioprint courses for example) and is a bit of a laughing stock in some circles but he knows his apples when it comes to training. That's what I thought (hence the question ) I'm not expecting magic from GVT, just want to try something different, My last bulks were a traditional split and I got bored and stalled on them a bit so want to try something I haven't tried before. Plus a friend of mine ran GVT for a while and got good results. I'll probably run the basic programme to start with to be honest, have abreak from GVT and then go onto the advanced routine. Depending on how long I've got. But in my head it'll be 2-3 weeks normal split Basic GVT routine 2-3 weeks normal split advanced GVT routine But I'll work it out properly nearer the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 17, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2015 You're doing it wron..... actually no maybe you're not. Carry on. Japanese Defensive Lineman, Takuya Seiki, uses a 340kg leg press to do shoulder presses in training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 17, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2015 Well this is cool. No getting stuck under the bench press again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Well this is cool. No getting stuck under the bench press again. That is very clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 17, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17, 2015 That's awesome. One of the reasons I don't do much bench anymore is I hate not having a spotter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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