MakemineVanilla Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Which 23 minutes brings more personal misery - Supper's Ready (1972) (Genesis) or Autobahn (1974) (Kraftwerk)? Funnily enough, while neither is really my cup of tea, I don't actually HATE either. The early 70s Gabriel-era Genesis were full of pompous twaddle, but they did have their moments. But the Collins-fronted 'pop' Genesis were utterly unlistenable. And the long version of Autobahn is about the only Kraftwerk track I can tolerate - especially while motorway driving, natch. I refuse to hate any music but it can be a very close call. I don't actually dislike Supper's Ready; musically it is a delight but the whole dancing pixies and hippy schtick just ruins it for me. So, rather too much bustle in their hedgerow for my taste. But I don't think you can deny its musical excellence. Autobahn is as you tell it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted June 10, 2014 What I always liked about early Genesis was the sound palette - very nice mix of instruments and voice. But the good bits of tune tended to be bolted together clunkily (a typical fault of prog bands), and the lyrics were frankly risible. Cue my favourite band of the moment - Big Big Train (already mentioned back in this very thread). Their current album 'English Electric: Full Power' has much of the sound of early Genesis - but with really good songs about The Real World (several themed around history and the British industrial and agricultural working experience - more like 'folk' themes, really). Really good band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I refuse to hate any music I hate loads of music; rap, hip hop, dance/house/rave, MTV style "r&b", chart shit, boyband shit, anything that's been on Britains Got No Talent or The Voice. That's just for starters 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted June 10, 2014 Yep, I'll subscribe to that same list, Rob. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) What I always liked about early Genesis was the sound palette - very nice mix of instruments and voice. But the good bits of tune tended to be bolted together clunkily (a typical fault of prog bands), and the lyrics were frankly risible. The funny thing was that many of their biggest fans were university types - not as though that says a lot. Edited June 10, 2014 by MakemineVanilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I hate loads of music; rap, hip hop, dance/house/rave Yep, I'll subscribe to that same list, Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted June 10, 2014 What I always liked about early Genesis was the sound palette - very nice mix of instruments and voice. But the good bits of tune tended to be bolted together clunkily (a typical fault of prog bands), and the lyrics were frankly risible. The funny thing was that many of their biggest fans were university types - not as though that says a lot. Oh, that makes sense to me. Cryptic lyrics = poetry = profound = groovy. Never liked it much myself (as a student I was more into bands like Humble Pie, Taste and The Faces), but I can see why it might appeal to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) I hate loads of music; rap, hip hop, dance/house/rave Yep, I'll subscribe to that same list, Rob. Utterly dire. Reminds me yet again of that quote from k d laing - something like: "I really fancy trying ecstasy, but I daren't risk it, in case it makes me start liking shit music". Edited June 10, 2014 by mjmooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Ah, don't listen to her, half her albums are crap. You'd love it. Rob would likely have some sort of trouser explosion.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I hate loads of music; rap, hip hop, dance/house/rave Yep, I'll subscribe to that same list, Rob. Utterly dire. Reminds me yet again of that quote from k d laing - something like: "I really fancy trying ecstasy, but I daren't risk it, in case it makes me start liking shit music". Most music is packaged with a whole collection of extrinsic values and it is usually pretty easy to spot them. If those values are badly contrived, artificial and inauthentic, it becomes very difficult to like the music. For me to love something I think I need to like the whole package. I can even accept a bit of phoney authenticity if it is convincing enough. If the whole package is designed for wannabe ghetto heroes, lachrymose, family-friendly, quasi-reality TV shows, or for girlies to wet their knickers over, I just assume it is not produced for the likes of me. But even so, I think if a record achieves what it set out to achieve, you have to respect the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Genesis was for the uni kids and sabbath was for the gutter kids. You can imagine genesis and yes fans turning their nose up at that horrible simplistic heavy music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Too right. Heavy metal is the music of plebs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Haha, I don't like heavy metal that much. Genesis,yes,pink floyd etc attracted the well educated sorts and well to do people. Zeppelin attracted the popular lads who got all the pussy and sabbath attracted the unpopular down and outs. Not all true I know but that's the image I get. The who attracted hooligans and riff raff???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted June 10, 2014 Bit simplistic. What about people like me? Council estate working class that went to university? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Clearly repressed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted June 10, 2014 Probably. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 You had the best of both worlds mooney. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted June 10, 2014 You had the best of both worlds mooney.I really did, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 any good? got access to record shops tomorrow.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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