steaknchips Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 If Hughes is a great Premiership manager why hasnt he taken any of his clubs into the Champions League? Answ; He needs alot of resources..He needs alot ofmoney.. That dosnt make him great...We should be looking at better than this...There are managers that are taking clubs into the CL with teams they have built on little funds..Managers that have spotted great youth players and brought them through the club to form a formidable team/squad.. Mark Hughes has had plenty of chance to go out and find, build the next generation team...He has never achieved such feat. Name them. And they better be in a league as strong as the Premier League! Premierleague is sinking pal.. Its the league that can only survive by the assistance of European coaching.. Half our clubs are spending bucket loads on players coached from abroad because we are clueless. This is why we need to bring a European quality coach to Villa, to nullify the need to go out looking for the next Essien and Malouda.. We need to get these players from within.. The systems on the continent that are dishing out these players us Premierleague teams are spending loads on need to be introduced at Villa.. 4 years from now under Hughes we will just be in a similar place. Still buying the scraps that cant get a top 4 club and trying to break into the big time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I have a very good feeling about Mark Hughes. After the season we've had the last thing we need is to spend an age mulling over GH's replacement. If MH comes in he will have a huge rebuilding job to do at VP and I would be very excited to see what happens this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 One thing about Mark hughes - hes never done a bad job!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 The prospect of Mark Hughes managing Villa is about as exciting as the prospect of Anne Widdecombe doing a Playboy shoot. None the less, should he be appointed I'll support him and give him a proper chance, which is more than many on here have ever done for Houllier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Totally disrespectful!While I don't agree with you on Hughes I think you've got a perfectly valid point but will you please stop accusing people who don't like Hughes of being disrespectful? Their opinion is just as valid as yours. If he's being disrespectful to Hughes then you've been disrespected Houllier dozens of times. As it happens I don't think simply not approving of a manager is being disrespectful towards them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beasley14 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 That's a bit harsh Hughes' scouting is good IMO, he signed good players for cheap at Blackburn. He made a couple if good signings St city also like De Jong and Kompany. Im not his biggest fan but credit where it's due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 IF Mark Hughes is offered the job and he wants it then I just hope supporters get behind him and give him a chance and stop moaning. Looking at the amount of people that want Hughes I'm sure he'll get more support than Houllier did if he is appointed. I appreciate that the pole is rather dated now, but 59 people have voted for Houllier to continue (with or without GMac) where as Hughes only has 20 votes. He doesn't seem to have that much popular support to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Premierleague is sinking pal.. Its the league that can only survive by the assistance of European coaching.. Half our clubs are spending bucket loads on players coached from abroad because we are clueless. Crazy talk, the premier league is sinking? It goes from strength to strength being the biggest and the most lucrative league that everyone wants to play for in the world, year on year. The link between premiership success and good british players has long gone, the premiership of today is built around the best players from the world and will continue to do so. The fact England cant produce good players has no baring on how successful the Premiership will become. Unfortunatly its no good for the national side but this also has nothing to do with the premier league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 IF Mark Hughes is offered the job and he wants it then I just hope supporters get behind him and give him a chance and stop moaning. Looking at the amount of people that want Hughes I'm sure he'll get more support than Houllier did if he is appointed. I appreciate that the pole is rather dated now, but 59 people have voted for Houllier to continue (with or without GMac) where as Hughes only has 20 votes. He doesn't seem to have that much popular support to be honest. Things change in football, opinions change.. as you said that poll is rather old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I genuinely don't think he's the right man for scrapping in midtable in the Prem at least (and arguably perhaps any league - he's done it once with Parma, but that was a Parma side that had some top players in it - Buffon for a start). If we were a top side, cruising with no issues, he'd do well, steady the ship and lead it to good things until things had to change drastically. But for a side that needs work, a fair amount of work, and isn't up there in terms of quality throughout the side, I really think he'd struggle to get far. It's not his bag imo. Rubbish, Ancelotti is one of the best managers in Europe. Ive got to ask how you know he could do the job we require better than Hughes or Moyes? Ancelotti has had the benefit of managing great sides. Look at his time at Milan - they start off as a great team that was going through the motions, he comes in makes a couple of changes end up winning a league under him with a team in it's prime, then it starts to chug a bit and they became a very good side that won cups and stuttered in the league. By the end of his time there Milan had had enough of him - he struggles to change sides once he gets things working. The legacy of his time there is a team slightly past it's best. Even his Chelsea side, facing troubles this season, he struggled with, Chelsea this season regularly looking pretty average and him seemingly clueless as what to do about it. At one point he had Drogba playing right wing. I'm not saying he's a bad manager whatsoever. I'm saying he's a manager of top sides. He's little experience of management in the doldrums - he took a side to a promotion 16 years ago, and he took over Parma when they had some genuine (world) class in their side to surprising heights, but that's it. And Italy is different to here. The vast proportion of his time as a manager is with title chasing sides in Italy, I don't see him coming to Aston Villa and being a huge success (and saying that I wouldn't see Mourinho doing it either, not at the moment). I wouldn't be upset in the extremely unlikely event we did get him, but I don't think he's a magic key to us being successful, as I really don't think it's a job his style would cut him out for. was that before or after his assistant manager was sacked by the chairman without ancellottis say so? or before 50 million was spunked by the chairman on a forward that the manager didnt pick? just checking because just from memory, im sure chelsea were looking pretty good up to those points, i also seem to recall them doing rather well the previous season? this season just gone with wilkins and ancellotti they won 7 out of 9 a 1-0 to man city and a 0-0 with villa the only none maximum points they scored 27 goals in those 9 games and conceded 2 so an average points per game of 2.4444 per game they got a further 59 points over the remaining 29 games, an average of 2.034 points per game a huge drop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 If the poll was done by AV Hughes would probably end up winning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOne Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 One thing about Mark hughes - hes never done a bad job!! He has never done a good job either. A draw specialist. :yawn: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 One thing about Mark hughes - hes never done a bad job!! He has never done a good job either. A draw specialist. :yawn:I'm no fan of Hughes but to be fair to him he's done a good job with Fulham. That doesn't really count for much though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wiggyrichard Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I genuinely don't think he's the right man for scrapping in midtable in the Prem at least (and arguably perhaps any league - he's done it once with Parma, but that was a Parma side that had some top players in it - Buffon for a start). If we were a top side, cruising with no issues, he'd do well, steady the ship and lead it to good things until things had to change drastically. But for a side that needs work, a fair amount of work, and isn't up there in terms of quality throughout the side, I really think he'd struggle to get far. It's not his bag imo. Rubbish, Ancelotti is one of the best managers in Europe. Ive got to ask how you know he could do the job we require better than Hughes or Moyes? Ancelotti has had the benefit of managing great sides. Look at his time at Milan - they start off as a great team that was going through the motions, he comes in makes a couple of changes end up winning a league under him with a team in it's prime, then it starts to chug a bit and they became a very good side that won cups and stuttered in the league. By the end of his time there Milan had had enough of him - he struggles to change sides once he gets things working. The legacy of his time there is a team slightly past it's best. Even his Chelsea side, facing troubles this season, he struggled with, Chelsea this season regularly looking pretty average and him seemingly clueless as what to do about it. At one point he had Drogba playing right wing. I'm not saying he's a bad manager whatsoever. I'm saying he's a manager of top sides. He's little experience of management in the doldrums - he took a side to a promotion 16 years ago, and he took over Parma when they had some genuine (world) class in their side to surprising heights, but that's it. And Italy is different to here. The vast proportion of his time as a manager is with title chasing sides in Italy, I don't see him coming to Aston Villa and being a huge success (and saying that I wouldn't see Mourinho doing it either, not at the moment). I wouldn't be upset in the extremely unlikely event we did get him, but I don't think he's a magic key to us being successful, as I really don't think it's a job his style would cut him out for. was that before or after his assistant manager was sacked by the chairman without ancellottis say so? or before 50 million was spunked by the chairman on a forward that the manager didnt pick? just checking because just from memory, im sure chelsea were looking pretty good up to those points, i also seem to recall them doing rather well the previous season? this season just gone with wilkins and ancellotti they won 7 out of 9 a 1-0 to man city and a 0-0 with villa the only none maximum points they scored 27 goals in those 9 games and conceded 2 so an average points per game of 2.4444 per game they got a further 59 points over the remaining 29 games, an average of 2.034 points per game a huge drop Very well said. The whole idea of Ancelotti not being good for us is if im honest bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 1, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted June 1, 2011 was that before or after his assistant manager was sacked by the chairman without ancellottis say so? or before 50 million was spunked by the chairman on a forward that the manager didnt pick? just checking because just from memory, im sure chelsea were looking pretty good up to those points, i also seem to recall them doing rather well the previous season? this season just gone with wilkins and ancellotti they won 7 out of 9 a 1-0 to man city and a 0-0 with villa the only none maximum points they scored 27 goals in those 9 games and conceded 2 so an average points per game of 2.4444 per game they got a further 59 points over the remaining 29 games, an average of 2.034 points per game a huge drop I'll assume you just ignored the bit where I said 'faced troubles'. The point is a manager has to overcome them. And Ancelotti really looked like he couldn't to me, when I watched them Chelsea looked considerably different after than and he seemed to have largely given up. The points drop equals roughly 10 points over those games as well. Taken on a individual game basis, its not much, over 29 games, it's pretty big. Never mind though, we just disagree. It's all academic because theres more chance of us digging up McGregor and putting him in charge than Ancelotti taking us over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 One thing about Mark hughes - hes never done a bad job!! He has never done a good job either. A draw specialist. :yawn: Your like a broken record of negativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I've heard from a source in Football that Downings agent met with liverpool reps around 10 days ago. Simple question, are we going to let things like this pass again? Yes, more than likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I couldn't be bothered to trawl through all the recent pages of this thread so please forgive me if someone as already mentioned this. As anyone yet mentioned the fact that Hughes is supposed to have some kind of release clause in his contract this month only and that Villa might be looking at the cheaper option? This isn't my opinion btw but I am sure there are a few pessimist's on here that would argue that case! I don't know if Hughes would have been my choice tbh. I don't think he has set the world alight but let's face it, he hasn't failed as he? He did a relatively good job at Blackburn with very little resources and a squad that was nowhere near as good as the one he would take over at Villa. He made a decent signing or two as well, especially the Santa Cruz deal. Hughes seemed to be doing ok at Man City too and was only sacked after losing only two games that season, although they had only won something like two of their last eleven games before they sacked him. He has done quite well at Fulham as well without having too much money to spend so maybe Villa is the perfect club for him? Not too big (Man City based on their vast amount of money and Arab owners) and not too small, based on the fact that Blackburn and Fulham both have different agendas/resources to that of the Villa. I certainly wouldn't have said his name ahead of some others but if Villa did choose Hughes I would certainly give him and his staff my fullest backing. He has vast experience with being a player at Chelsea and Man Utd and therefore knows what makes the big clubs tick. Hopefully we would be the right size club to get the best out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 One thing about Mark hughes - hes never done a bad job!! He has never done a good job either. A draw specialist. :yawn: First year with Blackburn he took them to 6th place and the League Cup final - at a time when they had little or no money to spend. In 18 months at Man City, he took them to the fifth (at the time he was ousted), having formed the core of the team that qualified for the Champions League a year later and won the FA Cup. Took Fulham to 8th with a limited playing squad, little money to spend, no pre-season (notice how he never used that as an excuse throughout last season?) and a goal difference of +6 with arguably his two best attacking players missing for a large portion of the season. And he's never done a good job? Opinions are one thing - ignoring the facts are another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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