Artetasgirl Posted January 15, 2009 Visiting Supporter Share Posted January 15, 2009 Having a discussion in work before about whether when a shot is taken and hits the post or crossbar is it deemed on or off target? I think it's more your own opinion really but was surprised there was a split as I always deemed it off and never really thought different. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I always say it's on target, even though it clearly isn't. But then I'm a striker - I'll bet that has something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myb Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 i always thought off. if it hits the woodwork and comes back out it was never going to be a goal. Obviously a shot deflected/tipped onto the post is a shot on target as had it not been deflected, would've gone in! How i see it anyway...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted January 15, 2009 VT Supporter Share Posted January 15, 2009 I'd consider it on target, but I'm hardly an expert. Depending on the spin at the instant of impact, it could go into the goal after hitting the woodwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 If a shot is on target it'll end up in the back of the net. If it hits the woodwork and then doesn't end up in the back of the net, how can it be on target? People aim to score, and last time I checked hitting the woodwork didn't give a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Clearly off target. If the post or crossbar is your 'target' you're playing the wrong game. I still consider it slightly unlucky to hit the woodwork though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Off target. No debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artetasgirl Posted January 15, 2009 Author Visiting Supporter Share Posted January 15, 2009 That's what I mean, I have always thought of it as off target and was surprised that other people had considered it on target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Off target. No debate. quick! Close the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 If a shot is on target it'll end up in the back of the net. exactly. The target is the net, not the stansion. if the ball is going to go inot the net unimpeded, it is on target. If it hits the post/bar and bounces away, it was clearly off target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 15, 2009 Moderator Share Posted January 15, 2009 The target is to score a goal, if it hits the woodwork and goes in its a goal, its on target, if it rebounds off the woodwork and doesn't go in, its off target. A sort of close but no cigar situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Problem is, with the way the ball is made nowadays the swerve you can get makes the answer problematic. If its on target and swerves with a foot (or something) left and hits the bar, was it on and off target?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 good question. i'm not sure, maybe it has its own category, so doesn't go into on or off target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Problem is, with the way the ball is made nowadays the swerve you can get makes the answer problematic. If its on target and swerves with a foot (or something) left and hits the bar, was it on and off target?? Off target. It didn't hit the target did it? That it swerved changes nothing, you kicking the ball the way you did caused it so swerve, so your shot was off target. The key word in this is TARGET, what are you aiming for? Clearly it's to score a goal, so therefore, if the shot DOESN'T result in a goal (if it hasn't been blocked or saved) then by pure definition it's off target. It's like trying to claim a shot was on target because you hit the corner flag, sure it might have hit something, but it wasn't what you were aiming for is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 No middle ground for me dodgknees. The ball has always been a factor, they used to be heavier and players had to compensate or at least this was what they were used to. No difference for the modern player. Your aim is to kick the ball in the net. If you kick the ball and it doesn't go in the net, you havn't hit your target. Not a matter of opinion really, unless you're aming for the post, then you're missing the point of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissmith921 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Off target then Den. All other factors excluded, would a goal have occured from the shot? No. Off Target then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 well the target is the goal, and you've hit part of the goal structure, therefore its kinda on target, but didn't go in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artetasgirl Posted January 15, 2009 Author Visiting Supporter Share Posted January 15, 2009 well the target is the goal, and you've hit part of the goal structure, therefore its kinda on target, but didn't go in. That was one of the factors my work colleagues said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chim_Richalds Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Any shot that doesn't hit a player or goalie and doesn't go in must be off target. Whether it hits the post, bar or both it doesn't really matter. It's still off target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 well the target is the goal, and you've hit part of the goal structure, therefore its kinda on target, but didn't go in. I'd say the target is getting the ball between the posts, under the crossbar, and over the goal line, as that's what gives a goal. On target is anything that would meet these criteria without any interference with the ball from other players. Off target is anything that doesn't. On target but didn't go in = shot blocked or saved, not off target but kinda close because it hit some physically required framework to mark the actual target. The goal structure is irrelevant in that. All that hitting it means is that it was a close miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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