Popular Post Tom13 Posted August 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2023 Quote "We were hoping the "Torn pass" would become a part of football parlance in parity with the "Cruyff turn" and the "Panenka penalty"." They then provided a transcript of a conversation with IFAB, who told them: "Your conclusions are fine. We will review if the wording of Law 11 need changing in light of this 'theoretical' situation." https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/torns-if-ifab-var-offside-law-loophole-exploit-648843-20230824 Quite funny, especially the video 3 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmygreaves Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Genius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Tom13 said: https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/torns-if-ifab-var-offside-law-loophole-exploit-648843-20230824 Quite funny, especially the video That is amazing. Midfielder rolls the ball onto top of foot and balances for a couple of seconds whilst the attacker runs behind the defence. Then in one motion the midfielder flicks the ball to him. Attacker is onside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Would be ruled out on the basis that most referees dont know the actual rules Unless it was for a scum 6 team when they can give it amend them later if needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 19 minutes ago, Zatman said: Would be ruled out on the basis that most referees dont know the actual rules Unless it was for a scum 6 team when they can give it amend them later if needed If I were a manager attempting it I’d have a quiet word with the ref beforehand and point out the rules. They’d have to allow it. The loophole would be closed within days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I'd love to see this attempted in the PL. Chances are every team is now aware of it and trying to execute it would be truly impossible but would be funny to see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I always thought it was when the ball left a players foot or have they just always been refereeing wrong? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 30, 2023 Moderator Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, villan95 said: I always thought it was when the ball left a players foot or have they just always been refereeing wrong? In that twitter thing it shows the law - "The first point of contact of the ‘play’ or ‘touch’ of the ball should be used". But that doesn't mean it's always been refereed wrongly. Almost all decisions the forst contact is the same as the ball leaving the player's foot - it's a pass, or a header, or a cross - so no difference. But you're right in terms of the TV analysis, as I've seen them play back stuff in slow mo' and say "there - the ball has left his foot and [the forward] is clearly onside/offside" and stuff like that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 For some reason I can picture Dougie giving this a go... Holding the ball on his foot, before lifting it clear over the defence for an already advanced Ollie Watkins to shoot straight at the keeper's legs. Genius. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted August 30, 2023 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, StanBalaban said: For some reason I can picture Dougie giving this a go... Holding the ball on his foot, before lifting it clear over the defence for an already advanced Ollie Watkins to shoot straight at the keeper's legs. Genius. Bin Done (kinda) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HongKongVillan Posted August 31, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2023 "Adam, you are the most technically gifted player, can you place the ball on top of your foot and keep it" - only took him 10 mins to do so being unchallenged LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) Does anyone remember years ago we scored a free kick that was scooped up before being hit (and had the goal disallowed)? First player scoops it off the ground then second player volleyed it in. I think it was disallowed in the grounds that the ball had to be hit rather than scooped (or my memory is playing tricks on me). Edited August 31, 2023 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 31, 2023 Author Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, HongKongVillan said: "Adam, you are the most technically gifted player, can you place the ball on top of your foot and keep it" - only took him 10 mins to do so being unchallenged LOL Obviously, the bad finish is on purpose. I did wonder if the failed scoop attempts were on purpose as well - assume they are considering the tone of the video, but it did look kinda genuine at the same time Edited August 31, 2023 by Tom13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 31, 2023 Author Share Posted August 31, 2023 30 minutes ago, Genie said: Does anyone remember years ago we scored a free kick that was scooped up before being hit (and had the goal disallowed)? First player scoops it off the ground then second player volleyed it in. I think it was disallowed in the grounds that the ball had to be hit rather than scooped (or my memory is playing tricks on me). Didn't Hourihane score one of these? I can't really remember it being disallowed though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Tom13 said: Didn't Hourihane score one of these? I can't really remember it being disallowed though. Maybe, but mine was before then. Late 90’s I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 31, 2023 Author Share Posted August 31, 2023 Just now, Genie said: Maybe, but mine was before then. Late 90’s I reckon. Wasn't Draper or Alan Wright was it? Draper I'm thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted August 31, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2023 19 hours ago, blandy said: In that twitter thing it shows the law - "The first point of contact of the ‘play’ or ‘touch’ of the ball should be used". But that doesn't mean it's always been refereed wrongly. Almost all decisions the forst contact is the same as the ball leaving the player's foot - it's a pass, or a header, or a cross - so no difference. But you're right in terms of the TV analysis, as I've seen them play back stuff in slow mo' and say "there - the ball has left his foot and [the forward] is clearly onside/offside" and stuff like that. Hard to imagine why the rule would be this way and not the last moment of contact, but as pointed out I'm sure the VAR is always looking for the moment of the ball leaving the foot. There must be more than a few margin call offsides that wouldn't have been given had the rule been applied properly, not least for Ollie in that first season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Tom13 said: Wasn't Draper or Alan Wright was it? Draper I'm thinking? I was thinking Mark Draper so that could be it edit: found it, I must have imagined the bit about it being disallowed. Edited August 31, 2023 by Genie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted August 31, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2023 43 minutes ago, Genie said: I was thinking Mark Draper so that could be it edit: found it, I must have imagined the bit about it being disallowed. Sad thing is that would’ve been ruled out by VAR these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 3 hours ago, fightoffyour said: Hard to imagine why the rule would be this way and not the last moment of contact, but as pointed out I'm sure the VAR is always looking for the moment of the ball leaving the foot. There must be more than a few margin call offsides that wouldn't have been given had the rule been applied properly, not least for Ollie in that first season. I imagine it's because you have to apply similar laws across the game - i.e: first point of contact in a foul that 'starts' just outside the box but 'ends' just inside. It's a free kick, not a penalty. @blandy is right about the VAR/offside thing as it stands - first and last contact is essentially the same thing; it's as the ball is being played. So replays don't show the ball leaving the foot, they show the ball being played. There should never be a gap between boot/head/whatever and ball. Obviously, I'd have probably assumed it's the latter point of contact as I reckon most people would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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