Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 It won't go on for long, Russia will run out of money. They (Russia) released the Jan22 vs jan23 vs Budget for government spending and receipts. For example, Russia, big country. Income tax income for Jan23 = -72 (Yes, they gave more back than they got) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 10, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 hour ago, pas5898 said: Russia can't win this war. All these can do is throw 10s of thousands of men, Walking dead style and try to take the Donbas region in full, whilst fortifying a land bridge to Crimea. They will Annex, sorry "liberate" that region then say they want peace. Don't be surprised if Russia don't move a lot of their citizens into the Donbas nearby, then portray Ukraine to be the bad guys killing innocent Russian Grandmas. Ukraine will not want peace and with new Western technology online they will feel confident in retaking their land. With an open peace plan, it will test Western resolve for a 20 year conflict which costs everyone. There will be a temptation to just give Russia their slice of Ukraine and move on. The first part of that seems most likely to be Putin’s plan. I wonder though if that’s the extent of it. One thing he does very differently to western democracies is to plan and think much longer term. So it’s conceivable that the intention may still be, in the longer term, to go on from that and just keep going all the way to Kyiv? Where Putin is not nearly so clever, is in the execution of his plans. Long term thinking good, short term action to achieve those plans bad, basically. And with the increasing supply of western tech and training there’s a strong risk, from a Russian perspective, of not even achieving the first part of his plan. The west is clearly being reactive, whereas Russia is more proactive, as the aggressor. Western nations are beholden to the views of their voters, Putin isn’t. The messages we get from our politicians is that “we will help Ukraine defend itself”, but that’s kind of woolly, really. Ukraine’s message is “give us loads of tanks, rockets, aircraft and other support and we can drive the Russians out”, but the west is not really doing that, or is doing it slowly and incrementally, which means the outcome is less clear. If we don’t know what the outcome will be, or don’t know what we want then we reduce the chances of it ending in a way that we accept or like, so all 3 parties are kind of acting in the dark much more than they’d like. Only the west has the ability, on their own, to operate in the light. Ukraine is dependent on the west, Russia’s chances are also dependent on the West losing interest, whereas the west, if it knows what it wants long term can actually enable that outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 10, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: The Russian soldiers have no idea what they are doing Hmmm. It seems like the motivation and professionalism of a lot of them is not high, and organisation is haphazard, but their leaders tactics are changing, their huge numerical superiority and lack of regard for losses of conscripts and Wagner prisoner troops mean that the calculations are different for them. It looks like the tactic now is just overwhelming force of numbers. It might be mental to our sensitivities, and no doubt tragic for those lowly troops and for the Ukrainian defenders, but the Russians and their more professional and capable units seem to know what they are doing, even if it’s abhorrent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted February 10, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Genie said: HS2 Post of the year and its shorter than either of your names 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted February 10, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 10, 2023 Russia missile strike overflying Moldova. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 10, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, HKP90 said: Russia missile strike overflying Moldova. Moldova isn't the issue so much, it flew over Romania too and guess which organisation Romania is in. It's actually a potential trigger to Art 5 but I doubt it will be this time but I also think NATO might feel they have to have some sort of response (most likely a non-combat response of some type) as they really can't ignore Russia sending a missile through NATO airspace without there being some sort of response. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 10, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, bickster said: Moldova isn't the issue so much, it flew over Romania too and guess which organisation Romania is in. It's actually a potential trigger to Art 5 but I doubt it will be this time but I also think NATO might feel they have to have some sort of response (most likely a non-combat response of some type) as they really can't ignore Russia sending a missile through NATO airspace without there being some sort of response. Romania says it didn’t. At least that’s what my news app said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 10, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, bickster said: It's actually a potential trigger to Art 5…. It isn’t, as I understand it. It would have to be an attack on Romania, rather than incursion into their airspace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 10, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2023 What do you do if you are the second of two IFVs and the lead IFV just got destroyed by a mine in front of you? Watch from 1:30 onwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 33 minutes ago, bickster said: What do you do if you are the second of two IFVs and the lead IFV just got destroyed by a mine in front of you? Watch from 1:30 onwards It’s hard to fathom how unskilled many of these troops are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 hour ago, bickster said: What do you do if you are the second of two IFVs and the lead IFV just got destroyed by a mine in front of you? Watch from 1:30 onwards To think that this is the trained core of the Eastern district, the few professional soldiers Russia has left, and they do that. Jesus. The units attacking Vuhledar since the start have been SOF, Marine divisions and mechanised brigades that are supposed to know what they’re doing. It must be comforting for Ukrainian soldiers to see how the Russians fight. It’ll take Russia 20.000 soldiers to take one little village in Soledar, how many to take Sloviansk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Something has gone bang at Melitopol Airport. Not sure exactly what atbtge moment. Apparently the Partisan activity around that area is ramping up significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: Something has gone bang at Melitopol Airport. Not sure exactly what atbtge moment. Apparently the Partisan activity around that area is ramping up significantly. Is that an occupied region? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 3 hours ago, magnkarl said: To think that this is the trained core of the Eastern district, the few professional soldiers Russia has left, and they do that. Jesus. The units attacking Vuhledar since the start have been SOF, Marine divisions and mechanised brigades that are supposed to know what they’re doing. It must be comforting for Ukrainian soldiers to see how the Russians fight. It’ll take Russia 20.000 soldiers to take one little village in Soledar, how many to take Sloviansk? 'An idiots guide to soldiering' was obviously wrote with Russians in mind. They ain't taking Slovyansk or Kramatorsk anytime soon. They're struggling to take villages and small towns lol. The Russian narrative of fighting the collective West has to be one of the greatest comical lines used by Russia. Meanwhile the collective west are sitting down chuckling after handing Ukraine a few little toys and watching the Russians struggle taking Bakhmut. Russia don't know how lucky they are only having Ukraine to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Just now, Genie said: Is that an occupied region? Yes, South of Zaphorizhzhia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Just now, avfc1982am said: Yes, South of Zaphorizhzhia Cool, so hopefully means Ukraine are on the attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Apparently the airport has been struck but other reports saying Russians took down the missiles, one over a residential area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolteExile Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 On 08/02/2023 at 20:22, chrisp65 said: Secret weapon. Definitely a weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 9 hours ago, HolteExile said: Secret weapon. Definitely a weapon. Or a tool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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